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		<title>By: John Dowdell</title>
		<link>http://www.centernetworks.com/adobe-replies-to-spy-concerns/comment-page-#comment-13359</link>
		<dc:creator>John Dowdell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure whether this comment will be approved for posting, but there still is more info here:
http://weblogs.macromedia.com/jd/archives/2007/12/republishing_co.cfm

John Nack&#039;s blogpost includes a link to a screencapture of the Welcome screen, with its &quot;Don&#039;t ask again&quot; checkbox to turn off resource checks to adobe.com. (Adobe.com does use Omniture to track site requests, just as you use Google Analytics to track this weblog.)

jd/adobe
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure whether this comment will be approved for posting, but there still is more info here:<br />
<a href="http://weblogs.macromedia.com/jd/archives/2007/12/republishing_co.cfm" rel="nofollow">http://weblogs.macromedia.com/jd/archives/2007/12/republishing_co.cfm</a></p>
<p>John Nack&#8217;s blogpost includes a link to a screencapture of the Welcome screen, with its &#8220;Don&#8217;t ask again&#8221; checkbox to turn off resource checks to adobe.com. (Adobe.com does use Omniture to track site requests, just as you use Google Analytics to track this weblog.)</p>
<p>jd/adobe</p>
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		<title>By: centernetworks</title>
		<link>http://www.centernetworks.com/adobe-replies-to-spy-concerns/comment-page-#comment-13408</link>
		<dc:creator>centernetworks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;
Thanks John - that screencapture is just to turn off the welcome screen - does that equal the opt-out? Shouldn&#039;t there be a privacy option upon installation?
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Thanks John &#8211; that screencapture is just to turn off the welcome screen &#8211; does that equal the opt-out? Shouldn&#8217;t there be a privacy option upon installation?</p>
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		<title>By: centernetworks</title>
		<link>http://www.centernetworks.com/adobe-replies-to-spy-concerns/comment-page-#comment-13622</link>
		<dc:creator>centernetworks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh no - which one was it that she ate? the purple one looked pretty mean compared to the others lol :)

thanks for the update!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh no &#8211; which one was it that she ate? the purple one looked pretty mean compared to the others lol :)</p>
<p>thanks for the update!</p>
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		<title>By: Dave R.</title>
		<link>http://www.centernetworks.com/adobe-replies-to-spy-concerns/comment-page-1#comment-13854</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is an opt-out for the 2o7.net cookie tracking on the Omniture website:
http://www.omniture.com/privacy/2o7

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is an opt-out for the 2o7.net cookie tracking on the Omniture website:<br />
<a href="http://www.omniture.com/privacy/2o7" rel="nofollow">http://www.omniture.com/privacy/2o7</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dave R.</title>
		<link>http://www.centernetworks.com/adobe-replies-to-spy-concerns/comment-page-#comment-13961</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Opt-out on the Omniture website:
http://www.omniture.com/privacy/2o7</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Opt-out on the Omniture website:<br />
<a href="http://www.omniture.com/privacy/2o7" rel="nofollow">http://www.omniture.com/privacy/2o7</a></p>
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		<title>By: Michael Wales</title>
		<link>http://www.centernetworks.com/adobe-replies-to-spy-concerns/comment-page-#comment-14462</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Wales</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have no problem with Adobe phoning home - a lot of apps do it. The biggest issue for me: why Adobe is trying to hide the fact.

I can&#039;t wait for their response which we can all guarantee will be BS. It&#039;s apparent the feeble attempt at cloaking this is intentional - best thing they can do is fess up to it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no problem with Adobe phoning home &#8211; a lot of apps do it. The biggest issue for me: why Adobe is trying to hide the fact.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t wait for their response which we can all guarantee will be BS. It&#8217;s apparent the feeble attempt at cloaking this is intentional &#8211; best thing they can do is fess up to it.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.centernetworks.com/adobe-replies-to-spy-concerns/comment-page-1#comment-15407</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Note that Adobe products that have a serial number also write to the Master Boot Record (MBRR) of the hard drive during installation. 

One user asked Adobe about this and an Adobe manager said &quot;Licensing is the only piece of software that writes something to the MBR and you will all agree that we can&#039;t do away with that.&quot; 

Another Adobe employee said &quot;I found out from the licensing team and they confirmed that Adobe licensing code writes to master boot record.&quot; and (as part of a thread) &quot;...Adobe&#039;s licensing technology being used by any other Adobe product. I don&#039;t know the exact answer to your question but if you are ok with Adobe&#039;s other product[s] then [product name] should be fine too.&quot;

I use a separate stand-alone workstation just for Adobe software and disconnect it from the network/Internet because of these types of security risks from Adobe (and a few others such as Microsoft).


Some Adobe product installation routines REQUIRE Internet access or the installation will fail. Some of those programs DEFAULT to establishing an Internet connection upon launch and even after the user sets preferences not to access the Internet, the program STILL tries to accesses the Internet upon startup.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Note that Adobe products that have a serial number also write to the Master Boot Record (MBRR) of the hard drive during installation. </p>
<p>One user asked Adobe about this and an Adobe manager said &#8220;Licensing is the only piece of software that writes something to the MBR and you will all agree that we can&#8217;t do away with that.&#8221; </p>
<p>Another Adobe employee said &#8220;I found out from the licensing team and they confirmed that Adobe licensing code writes to master boot record.&#8221; and (as part of a thread) &#8220;&#8230;Adobe&#8217;s licensing technology being used by any other Adobe product. I don&#8217;t know the exact answer to your question but if you are ok with Adobe&#8217;s other product[s] then [product name] should be fine too.&#8221;</p>
<p>I use a separate stand-alone workstation just for Adobe software and disconnect it from the network/Internet because of these types of security risks from Adobe (and a few others such as Microsoft).</p>
<p>Some Adobe product installation routines REQUIRE Internet access or the installation will fail. Some of those programs DEFAULT to establishing an Internet connection upon launch and even after the user sets preferences not to access the Internet, the program STILL tries to accesses the Internet upon startup.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.centernetworks.com/adobe-replies-to-spy-concerns/comment-page-#comment-15463</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What benefit do I derive from a company tracking my movement on the Internet without my knowledge?</description>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.centernetworks.com/adobe-replies-to-spy-concerns/comment-page-#comment-15513</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So apparently nobody here has a clue about web analytics so let&#039;s take a break here.  First, half the companies on the Internet of any size using Web Analytics are using Omniture.  The company isn&#039;t some secret spying organization or somebody contracted out to do spying for other companies.  Their purpose in life is to watch how customers move through websites.  They are hired by the websites to do this so that the websites can optimize their sites to help customers out.  This isn&#039;t new or anything.  Google Analytics is a competitor and it&#039;s a huge market.  With a bad website you end up with something like msn.com which is a nightmare to navigate instead of google.com which isn&#039;t.

The IP address does look like a private IP address but it&#039;s obviously not though I don&#039;t see the problem anyway.  Like I mentioned most of the websites you go to use some type of third party analytics company because they want to improve their hosting.  You should probably be glad because this is done by a third party company and not Adobe themselves.  The reporting back to the companies hiring Omniture/GoogleAnalyics is able to be anonymous in this way.  The point is to find out what a bulk of the population is doing... not any one contributor.  If they tune their websites to individual browsers they are being completely unreasonable and, for the price paid, that&#039;s not likely.  Statistics plays into this.

Finally let&#039;s think about this a bit more.  99% of consumers don&#039;t have a static IP address at home so what, exactly, is going to be tracked?  Has anybody here who is afraid of spying actually looked at the traffic involved?  Omniture puts a 2x2 pixel image on websites so that a tiny amount of bandwidth is necessary for the statistical information to be gathered.  If you pull up a LAN trace and watch what actually happens it should be fairly apparent what is being sent across the network.  Also it doesn&#039;t take more than a couple seconds and a bit of software to block outgoing traffic to undesired websites.  NetFilter on *nix and Zone Alarm for windows are some examples here.  If nothing else is found with actual evidence, though, the explanation so far makes perfect sense.  Most companies have online help because it is easier to update and, since it&#039;s on a website, it&#039;ll be statistically monitored.  If the splash screen is also doing the same then Opt Out and watch the traffic from your box go down.  The last point was the embedded Opera browser and Flash Player which loads online content... considering that Photoshop&#039;s entire purpose is NOT to be online that&#039;s probably user-initiated activity so instead of being lazy put URLs in a web browser of your own and then watch as Firefox &quot;phones home&quot; to Omniture too.  In fact, while you&#039;re on your fact-finding quest see how many sites use &quot;tracking&quot; (like this one does as I quickly review what&#039;s been happening here).
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So apparently nobody here has a clue about web analytics so let&#8217;s take a break here.  First, half the companies on the Internet of any size using Web Analytics are using Omniture.  The company isn&#8217;t some secret spying organization or somebody contracted out to do spying for other companies.  Their purpose in life is to watch how customers move through websites.  They are hired by the websites to do this so that the websites can optimize their sites to help customers out.  This isn&#8217;t new or anything.  Google Analytics is a competitor and it&#8217;s a huge market.  With a bad website you end up with something like msn.com which is a nightmare to navigate instead of google.com which isn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>The IP address does look like a private IP address but it&#8217;s obviously not though I don&#8217;t see the problem anyway.  Like I mentioned most of the websites you go to use some type of third party analytics company because they want to improve their hosting.  You should probably be glad because this is done by a third party company and not Adobe themselves.  The reporting back to the companies hiring Omniture/GoogleAnalyics is able to be anonymous in this way.  The point is to find out what a bulk of the population is doing&#8230; not any one contributor.  If they tune their websites to individual browsers they are being completely unreasonable and, for the price paid, that&#8217;s not likely.  Statistics plays into this.</p>
<p>Finally let&#8217;s think about this a bit more.  99% of consumers don&#8217;t have a static IP address at home so what, exactly, is going to be tracked?  Has anybody here who is afraid of spying actually looked at the traffic involved?  Omniture puts a 2&#215;2 pixel image on websites so that a tiny amount of bandwidth is necessary for the statistical information to be gathered.  If you pull up a LAN trace and watch what actually happens it should be fairly apparent what is being sent across the network.  Also it doesn&#8217;t take more than a couple seconds and a bit of software to block outgoing traffic to undesired websites.  NetFilter on *nix and Zone Alarm for windows are some examples here.  If nothing else is found with actual evidence, though, the explanation so far makes perfect sense.  Most companies have online help because it is easier to update and, since it&#8217;s on a website, it&#8217;ll be statistically monitored.  If the splash screen is also doing the same then Opt Out and watch the traffic from your box go down.  The last point was the embedded Opera browser and Flash Player which loads online content&#8230; considering that Photoshop&#8217;s entire purpose is NOT to be online that&#8217;s probably user-initiated activity so instead of being lazy put URLs in a web browser of your own and then watch as Firefox &#8220;phones home&#8221; to Omniture too.  In fact, while you&#8217;re on your fact-finding quest see how many sites use &#8220;tracking&#8221; (like this one does as I quickly review what&#8217;s been happening here).</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.centernetworks.com/adobe-replies-to-spy-concerns/comment-page-1#comment-15535</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have tried several times to go to the omniture opt out website (http://www.omniture.com/privacy/2o7) but when I click on their link to opt out it is a dead link.  It never opens at all..

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have tried several times to go to the omniture opt out website (<a href="http://www.omniture.com/privacy/2o7" rel="nofollow">http://www.omniture.com/privacy/2o7</a>) but when I click on their link to opt out it is a dead link.  It never opens at all..</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.centernetworks.com/adobe-replies-to-spy-concerns/comment-page-#comment-15605</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do not connect your Adobe proc running computer to the internet.</description>
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		<title>By: Pétur</title>
		<link>http://www.centernetworks.com/adobe-replies-to-spy-concerns/comment-page-1#comment-15620</link>
		<dc:creator>Pétur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anonymous on December 29 2007 9:49pm

I agree with you.

We must refuse to buy closed source programs, for those of you who MUST continue to use closed source applications i advise you to check if the laws in your country prohibit you from STEALING the program.

Many countries outside the USA, including my home Iceland, have no laws against software license theft as long as your not profiting from it (your not selling fake/generated/stolen serials/licenses).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anonymous on December 29 2007 9:49pm</p>
<p>I agree with you.</p>
<p>We must refuse to buy closed source programs, for those of you who MUST continue to use closed source applications i advise you to check if the laws in your country prohibit you from STEALING the program.</p>
<p>Many countries outside the USA, including my home Iceland, have no laws against software license theft as long as your not profiting from it (your not selling fake/generated/stolen serials/licenses).</p>
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		<title>By: Petur</title>
		<link>http://www.centernetworks.com/adobe-replies-to-spy-concerns/comment-page-#comment-15621</link>
		<dc:creator>Petur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anonymous on December 29 2007 9:49pm

I agree with you.

We must refuse to buy closed source programs, for those of you who MUST continue to use closed source applications i advise you to check if the laws in your country prohibit you from STEALING the program.

Many countries outside the USA, including my home Iceland, have no laws against software license theft as long as your not profiting from it (your not selling fake/generated/stolen serials/licenses).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anonymous on December 29 2007 9:49pm</p>
<p>I agree with you.</p>
<p>We must refuse to buy closed source programs, for those of you who MUST continue to use closed source applications i advise you to check if the laws in your country prohibit you from STEALING the program.</p>
<p>Many countries outside the USA, including my home Iceland, have no laws against software license theft as long as your not profiting from it (your not selling fake/generated/stolen serials/licenses).</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.centernetworks.com/adobe-replies-to-spy-concerns/comment-page-#comment-15649</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s important to point out that CS3 is not calling &#039;home&#039;, it&#039;s calling some company called Omniture.  I don&#039;t recall making any sort of agreement with that company and I don&#039;t want them tracking my usage, behavior, or anything.  I certainly don&#039;t want them spamming me with ads when I&#039;ve paid through the nose for some software.  I want to opt out and as far as I&#039;ve seen, there is no way provided to opt out.  I expect I&#039;ll need to configure my hosts file to block 2O7.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s important to point out that CS3 is not calling &#8216;home&#8217;, it&#8217;s calling some company called Omniture.  I don&#8217;t recall making any sort of agreement with that company and I don&#8217;t want them tracking my usage, behavior, or anything.  I certainly don&#8217;t want them spamming me with ads when I&#8217;ve paid through the nose for some software.  I want to opt out and as far as I&#8217;ve seen, there is no way provided to opt out.  I expect I&#8217;ll need to configure my hosts file to block 2O7.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.centernetworks.com/adobe-replies-to-spy-concerns/comment-page-1#comment-15660</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Software without opt-out is like to require you to learn martial arts just to walk outside your home. Not that we would mind fucking you up, but still.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Software without opt-out is like to require you to learn martial arts just to walk outside your home. Not that we would mind fucking you up, but still.</p>
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