Comments on: Wait a Moment… Who is the Desperate One?

By: centernetworks

centernetworks — Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000

please never say gilmor’s name around here – he runs TCIT – "Techcrunch is Twitter" – you thought it was an enterprise site :) i could go on – but his amazing quality podcast says it all

By: Maggie

Maggie — Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000

Leave Eric alone! He has a new baby Sesame to support so he needs more pageviews – diapers ain’t cheap yo.

By: Anonymouse

Anonymouse — Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000

this is even better chart lol

http://trends.google.com/websites?q=venturebeat.com,+techcrunch.com,+demo.com,+techcrunch50.com,+centernetworks.com&sa=N

By: Erick Schonfeld

Erick Schonfeld — Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000

Thank you, Maggie. We all need pageviews, but that is not the reason we refresh or show fewer comments. It is to speed up page load times. we often get more than 100 comments on a post, and it can take forever to load. Maybe Allen doesn’t have that problem.

Allen, you are welcome to come back to TC50 anytime. I’m not aware of how you were “mistreated,” but we welcome any feedback. The only thing I recall from your review was that you were complaining about the chairs.

As to the “hit job” I make no bones about wearing my bias on my sleeves in that post. I simply think TC50 is a better conference. But take out the sentence about us crushing DEMO and there really isn’t much I said that wasn’t reported elsewhere. Believe me, if DEMO was doing well, Shipley would not be out the door.

And, Allen, your chart there would be more accurate if you compared demo.com vs. venturebeat.com vs. techcrunch.com. Not techcrunch50.com. That is just an informational site used during the confernces. Our community gathers at the main site.

By: coldbrew

coldbrew — Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000

Everyone wants to take a shot at the 800 lb gorrilla. Looking at TC’s page views and RSS subs, I think there is a clear case that negativity also “sells” though it will not be done without the town-criers weighing in on the issue.

I could bash TC fairly easily, but I think it is more than just a blog, and Crunchbase is a very good resource; TC is in a good position.. Of course, I don’t have a dog in this fight, but it is obvious that you do.

And, the idea that Mashable has anything on TC is simply hilarious.

By: centernetworks

centernetworks — Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000

Hi Coldbew - thanks for your comment. You are right - tc is the master of the "pageview via controversial and negativity postings"

As for dog in the fight - I have no dog in the fight - if I wanted to be in that club, I would do it and do it well. I am very happy where CN is.

By: centernetworks

centernetworks — Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000

Thanks for stopping by Erick - I will reply to each of your items below:

-- Yep, I don't have that problem.

Allen, you are welcome to come back to TC50 anytime. I'm not aware of how you were "mistreated," but we welcome any feedback. The only thing I recall from your review was that you were complaining about the chairs.

-- I left the rest out because I don't care to play the silly games but it's all documented.

As to the "hit job" I make no bones about wearing my bias on my sleeves in that post. I simply think TC50 is a better conference. But take out the sentence about us crushing DEMO and there really isn't much I said that wasn't reported elsewhere. Believe me, if DEMO was doing well, Shipley would not be out the door.

-- There was no reason for you to post in that case. And considering there were more people at DEMO than TC50, I am not sure they are doing as poorly as you try to always make out. Either way, if you read the commentary from around the web, it just wasn't a healthy post.

-- your chart put up demo.com to show how little traffic they have - I merely added your conference site to make the comparison more fair.

By: coldbrew

coldbrew — Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000

Thanks for the reply, and sorry for the crappy grammar and punctuation.

Anyway, I think you do have a dog in this race, and you have taken up with the anti-TC cabal (I could easily name names here). As a blog in the tech space, you compete for scoops, Techmeme, pageviews, $ etc.

I like what you do here at CN, but I like to be as objective as possible which is directly related to my not knowing anyone, and being a complete unknown.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000

Techcrunch make a living from being abusive – it’s their ‘thing.’

Look at the crap and ‘daily threats’ Michael Arrington was crying about a few weeks ago, when someone spat in his face.

This is just another example of them trying to shock. It’s crap.

By: centernetworks

centernetworks — Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000

heh – trust me i don’t compete for pageviews, techmeme or scoops – i turn down exclusives nearly every other day – because i stand firm that getting as much coverage as possible is best – and trust me – if your news is good, techcrunch will still cover you

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000

Wait, Chris Shipley is female?

By: DEMO is way betta'

DEMO is way betta' — Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000

The TC50 conference last year was the most disorganized goat rodeo I have ever attended. The production values were abysmal – the physical setting was more cold storage facility than quality launch venue, if you weren’t in the first 20 rows you couldn’t see anything, the sound quality was poor, the conference schedule itself was only loosely adhered to, and the judging format was changed mid stream. The decision on which company was the “best” (Yammer) was laughable. I was with one of the annointed companies, and the complete absence of organization was baffling – would we or would we not have a place to set up after our demo so that interested parties could find us?

And while the TC50 companies may not have been charged, the poor schmucks in the hall who were paying ~ $3K each for a small tabletop got no value beyond being able to distribute their free tee shirts.

What I find most ironic is TC50’s strict admonition that we were not to tell anyone that we were debuting – no press interviews, no releases, nothing until we were on stage near the half way point of the conference. The stated objective was “we want to preserve the news value of you being on stage”. Ummm. Isn’t that called an embargo?

By: Alex Wilhelm

Alex Wilhelm — Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000

Excellent post Allen. I was going to write something similar, but you did a better job.

Re: Eric’s response:
The endless arrogance of TechCrunch in general is despicable. This last post by them left me floored. I have seen some off kilter writing before, but that post was beyond anything.

Keep writing, Allen, we need you.

-Alex

By: SC

SC — Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000

Erick. You are ridiculous. That is all there is to it.

By: centernetworks

centernetworks — Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000

your comment is similar to the ones I heard over and over during the event – especially from the demo pit companies – it’s too bad none of them will step forward publicly – it would help more companies think about it for this year.