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		<title>By: centernetworks</title>
		<link>http://www.centernetworks.com/friendfeed-conversation-rooms/comment-page-#comment-17350</link>
		<dc:creator>centernetworks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;
Hutch - can you re-read my post? What I suggest is that the part you like should remain - the commenting should change. I am not talking about exposure, I am talking about the conversation.
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Hutch &#8211; can you re-read my post? What I suggest is that the part you like should remain &#8211; the commenting should change. I am not talking about exposure, I am talking about the conversation.</p>
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		<title>By: Cyndy Aleo-Carreira</title>
		<link>http://www.centernetworks.com/friendfeed-conversation-rooms/comment-page-#comment-17351</link>
		<dc:creator>Cyndy Aleo-Carreira</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No.

It&#039;s not people telling me what to do; it was the realization that there were tons of people talking about my writing and I had no idea what they were saying, nor could I respond. Loic Lemeur pointed out yesterday that while he rarely gets 30 comments on a blog post, he nearly always gets at least that many in FriendFeed.

I don&#039;t like it. I don&#039;t understand why it makes more sense to people to click out of FF to a blog, read a post, then click back to leave a comment. It&#039;s a huge time suck. But from a marketing standpoint, how can you afford to ignore it? I don&#039;t feel that I can.

As for the &quot;try&quot; part of what I said, let me clarify. If my comment is directed to the author or is about the original topic of the blog post, my comment goes on the blog. No question. Where it doesn&#039;t happen is when the FF conversation forks and I&#039;m replying to someone else in the thread and it would make no sense to also copy that reply on the blog. I am still an author, first and foremost.

And actually, no, FF doesn&#039;t make it easy to reply on FF. You know how long-winded I can get in comments, and FF limits the characters. ;)

My feelings, unlike some of the others (Duncan Riley) who have talked about their dislike of FF, have not changed. I don&#039;t like it. Believe me, everyone there knows that I don&#039;t like it. But just as I&#039;ve been dragged into Twitter, I also feel that I can&#039;t afford to NOT use FF.</description>
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<p>It&#8217;s not people telling me what to do; it was the realization that there were tons of people talking about my writing and I had no idea what they were saying, nor could I respond. Loic Lemeur pointed out yesterday that while he rarely gets 30 comments on a blog post, he nearly always gets at least that many in FriendFeed.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t like it. I don&#8217;t understand why it makes more sense to people to click out of FF to a blog, read a post, then click back to leave a comment. It&#8217;s a huge time suck. But from a marketing standpoint, how can you afford to ignore it? I don&#8217;t feel that I can.</p>
<p>As for the &#8220;try&#8221; part of what I said, let me clarify. If my comment is directed to the author or is about the original topic of the blog post, my comment goes on the blog. No question. Where it doesn&#8217;t happen is when the FF conversation forks and I&#8217;m replying to someone else in the thread and it would make no sense to also copy that reply on the blog. I am still an author, first and foremost.</p>
<p>And actually, no, FF doesn&#8217;t make it easy to reply on FF. You know how long-winded I can get in comments, and FF limits the characters. ;)</p>
<p>My feelings, unlike some of the others (Duncan Riley) who have talked about their dislike of FF, have not changed. I don&#8217;t like it. Believe me, everyone there knows that I don&#8217;t like it. But just as I&#8217;ve been dragged into Twitter, I also feel that I can&#8217;t afford to NOT use FF.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Hirshfield</title>
		<link>http://www.centernetworks.com/friendfeed-conversation-rooms/comment-page-#comment-17414</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Hirshfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Allen - Your point is spot-on plan with what www.SezWho.com is doing - keep the conversation united without &quot;stealing the conversation&quot;.  My understanding is they tie all of my comments together across different sites without taking those comments away from the site owner. Disqus is also in this space, but I think they &quot;own&quot;, &quot;steal&quot;, or whatever word you want to use to say that the comments are not truely resident on the content owner&#039;s site. So it would seem marry FF and SezWho would be a cool solution to what you&#039;re hinting at.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Allen &#8211; Your point is spot-on plan with what <a href="http://www.SezWho.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.SezWho.com</a> is doing &#8211; keep the conversation united without &#8220;stealing the conversation&#8221;.  My understanding is they tie all of my comments together across different sites without taking those comments away from the site owner. Disqus is also in this space, but I think they &#8220;own&#8221;, &#8220;steal&#8221;, or whatever word you want to use to say that the comments are not truely resident on the content owner&#8217;s site. So it would seem marry FF and SezWho would be a cool solution to what you&#8217;re hinting at.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Gunn</title>
		<link>http://www.centernetworks.com/friendfeed-conversation-rooms/comment-page-1#comment-17988</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Gunn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you&#039;re on Wordpress, there&#039;s a plugin that will allow you to display &lt;a href=&quot;http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/friendfeed-comments/&quot;&gt;friendfeed comments&lt;/a&gt; in your comments section. Problem solved?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you&#8217;re on Wordpress, there&#8217;s a plugin that will allow you to display <a href="http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/friendfeed-comments/">friendfeed comments</a> in your comments section. Problem solved?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Morisy</title>
		<link>http://www.centernetworks.com/friendfeed-conversation-rooms/comment-page-#comment-18767</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Morisy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post, and spot on with what bothered me upon initially signing up for the service. Easy solution (ok, maybe not technically easy, but a little engineering I&#039;m sure could figure it out):

It &quot;pulls&quot; data from all these other services, so why can&#039;t it &quot;push&quot; comments back out? Sure, there&#039;s captchas, logins, etc. to deal with, but a lot of that can likely be intelligently dealt with, for at least 90% of standard cases (there will be outliers, like blogs that don&#039;t accept comments at all, which FriendFeed can still serve as a message board for).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, and spot on with what bothered me upon initially signing up for the service. Easy solution (ok, maybe not technically easy, but a little engineering I&#8217;m sure could figure it out):</p>
<p>It &#8220;pulls&#8221; data from all these other services, so why can&#8217;t it &#8220;push&#8221; comments back out? Sure, there&#8217;s captchas, logins, etc. to deal with, but a lot of that can likely be intelligently dealt with, for at least 90% of standard cases (there will be outliers, like blogs that don&#8217;t accept comments at all, which FriendFeed can still serve as a message board for).</p>
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		<title>By: Hutch Carpenter</title>
		<link>http://www.centernetworks.com/friendfeed-conversation-rooms/comment-page-#comment-18829</link>
		<dc:creator>Hutch Carpenter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Allen - how do you comment on a Tweet? On a direct post to FriendFeed? On a song from Pandora? That&#039;s one thing that would be lost with no FriendFeed comments.

A second thing is the different forms of commenting. There are pithy comments on the content itself, lightweight agree/disagree sentiments and meta-comments.  The first two are what people leave on blogs. And that won&#039;t stop. Meta-comments are those that are less directly about the content itself. They may reflect on a general meme, of which the blog post is a part. They may be comments to other people who have commented on the link in FriendFeed. They may be comments about the blogger, which probably aren&#039;t appropriate to be directly on the blog.

Should those conversations be restricted? Who is the person in charge of conversations on the Web? 

Let people be themselves, let them comment where they want and with whom they want. 

BTW - my simple solution for the dispersed comments on FriendFeed is to search for a blog post title. Frankly, it&#039;s pretty neat to see different tribes talking about something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Allen &#8211; how do you comment on a Tweet? On a direct post to FriendFeed? On a song from Pandora? That&#8217;s one thing that would be lost with no FriendFeed comments.</p>
<p>A second thing is the different forms of commenting. There are pithy comments on the content itself, lightweight agree/disagree sentiments and meta-comments.  The first two are what people leave on blogs. And that won&#8217;t stop. Meta-comments are those that are less directly about the content itself. They may reflect on a general meme, of which the blog post is a part. They may be comments to other people who have commented on the link in FriendFeed. They may be comments about the blogger, which probably aren&#8217;t appropriate to be directly on the blog.</p>
<p>Should those conversations be restricted? Who is the person in charge of conversations on the Web? </p>
<p>Let people be themselves, let them comment where they want and with whom they want. </p>
<p>BTW &#8211; my simple solution for the dispersed comments on FriendFeed is to search for a blog post title. Frankly, it&#8217;s pretty neat to see different tribes talking about something.</p>
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		<title>By: centernetworks</title>
		<link>http://www.centernetworks.com/friendfeed-conversation-rooms/comment-page-#comment-18830</link>
		<dc:creator>centernetworks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;
Cyndy so what you are saying is that if Robert, Jeremiah and Louis jump off a bridge today and tell you to do it, you will?
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FF makes it easy to comment on FF right? Thats why you said, &quot;I try&quot; instead of &quot;I always do&quot;.
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Cyndy so what you are saying is that if Robert, Jeremiah and Louis jump off a bridge today and tell you to do it, you will?
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FF makes it easy to comment on FF right? Thats why you said, &quot;I try&quot; instead of &quot;I always do&quot;.</p>
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		<title>By: Jitendra</title>
		<link>http://www.centernetworks.com/friendfeed-conversation-rooms/comment-page-#comment-18845</link>
		<dc:creator>Jitendra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Allen,

Great Piece...could not agree with you more. 

-Jitendra</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Allen,</p>
<p>Great Piece&#8230;could not agree with you more. </p>
<p>-Jitendra</p>
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		<title>By: Out Wrong</title>
		<link>http://www.centernetworks.com/friendfeed-conversation-rooms/comment-page-#comment-18848</link>
		<dc:creator>Out Wrong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Stealing the conversation...&quot; Wow, that is a bold choice of a verb. FF isn&#039;t stealing anything, they are riding a wave of innovation and excitement. 

People will use it until the next thing comes along and then &lt;strong&gt;that&lt;strong&gt; new site will be really cool but fatally flawed, until the next site comes along...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Stealing the conversation&#8230;&#8221; Wow, that is a bold choice of a verb. FF isn&#8217;t stealing anything, they are riding a wave of innovation and excitement. </p>
<p>People will use it until the next thing comes along and then <strong>that</strong><strong> new site will be really cool but fatally flawed, until the next site comes along&#8230;</strong></p>
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		<title>By: centernetworks</title>
		<link>http://www.centernetworks.com/friendfeed-conversation-rooms/comment-page-#comment-18852</link>
		<dc:creator>centernetworks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nah i don&#039;t buy that steven :) they could easily change the app - they don&#039;t want to - because i&#039;ll bet their business model is based on the conversation.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nah i don&#8217;t buy that steven :) they could easily change the app &#8211; they don&#8217;t want to &#8211; because i&#8217;ll bet their business model is based on the conversation.</p>
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		<title>By: Cyndy Aleo-Carreira</title>
		<link>http://www.centernetworks.com/friendfeed-conversation-rooms/comment-page-#comment-19051</link>
		<dc:creator>Cyndy Aleo-Carreira</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What Steven said (I&#039;m his acolyte now, ya know!) Cow&#039;s out. No point in shutting the barn door. Personally, I try to go back to the blog to comment to the original author. I don&#039;t like being on FriendFeed, but it&#039;s become a virtual necessity in this gig.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What Steven said (I&#8217;m his acolyte now, ya know!) Cow&#8217;s out. No point in shutting the barn door. Personally, I try to go back to the blog to comment to the original author. I don&#8217;t like being on FriendFeed, but it&#8217;s become a virtual necessity in this gig.</p>
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		<title>By: Hutch Carpenter</title>
		<link>http://www.centernetworks.com/friendfeed-conversation-rooms/comment-page-#comment-19052</link>
		<dc:creator>Hutch Carpenter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I fundamentally disagree with that last statement Allen. The thing FriendFeed has brought to my little blog is a viral distribution.  People will share a blog post and bookmark it, whichj is seen by their subscribers. People will also &#039;Like&#039; it and comment on it. So their subscribers see it (via the friend-of-friend feature), some of whom pick up on it and  repeat the interaction so a new set of eyes see the content.

Comments on FriendFeed mean something&#039;s getting attention. And in order to comment, people will want to read the post. They&#039;ll click on the FriendFeed link to a blog. They read it and may (i) comment on the blog; or (ii) comment on FriendFeed. Either way, the blogger just got exposure.

As a user, I really am enjoying the trusted referrals of FriendFeed. Human filtering via my social network. And the experience of commenting and &#039;Liking&#039; is very easy. So I&#039;d say it also benefits the user.

That&#039;s one person&#039;s view on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I fundamentally disagree with that last statement Allen. The thing FriendFeed has brought to my little blog is a viral distribution.  People will share a blog post and bookmark it, whichj is seen by their subscribers. People will also &#8216;Like&#8217; it and comment on it. So their subscribers see it (via the friend-of-friend feature), some of whom pick up on it and  repeat the interaction so a new set of eyes see the content.</p>
<p>Comments on FriendFeed mean something&#8217;s getting attention. And in order to comment, people will want to read the post. They&#8217;ll click on the FriendFeed link to a blog. They read it and may (i) comment on the blog; or (ii) comment on FriendFeed. Either way, the blogger just got exposure.</p>
<p>As a user, I really am enjoying the trusted referrals of FriendFeed. Human filtering via my social network. And the experience of commenting and &#8216;Liking&#8217; is very easy. So I&#8217;d say it also benefits the user.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s one person&#8217;s view on it.</p>
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		<title>By: centernetworks</title>
		<link>http://www.centernetworks.com/friendfeed-conversation-rooms/comment-page-#comment-19056</link>
		<dc:creator>centernetworks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;
did you notice the animal photo in this post?
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&quot;wave of innovation and excitement&quot;?  that&#039;s a good one :)
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did you notice the animal photo in this post?
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&quot;wave of innovation and excitement&quot;?  that&#8217;s a good one :)</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Hodson</title>
		<link>http://www.centernetworks.com/friendfeed-conversation-rooms/comment-page-#comment-19062</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Hodson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting senario Allen and one I could agree with but unfortunately the genie is out ofthe bottle and I don&#039;t think that it can be put back in without hurting the momentum that FriendFeed has gotten.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting senario Allen and one I could agree with but unfortunately the genie is out ofthe bottle and I don&#8217;t think that it can be put back in without hurting the momentum that FriendFeed has gotten.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Anthony</title>
		<link>http://www.centernetworks.com/friendfeed-conversation-rooms/comment-page-#comment-19063</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I keep hearing people say &quot;if you&#039;re arguing against comments being on FriendFeed, you Just Don&#039;t Get It&quot;, but nobody&#039;s actually bothered to say &lt;em&gt;why&lt;/em&gt; comments on FF are a good thing. It&#039;s just &lt;em&gt;assumed&lt;/em&gt; to be good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I keep hearing people say &#8220;if you&#8217;re arguing against comments being on FriendFeed, you Just Don&#8217;t Get It&#8221;, but nobody&#8217;s actually bothered to say <em>why</em> comments on FF are a good thing. It&#8217;s just <em>assumed</em> to be good.</p>
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