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		<title>By: Adam Loving</title>
		<link>http://www.centernetworks.com/heres-how-to-fix-the-twitter-suggested-user-advantage#comment-151531</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Loving</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 17:26:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m glad I created an even game. In any case, Twibes is behaving more humanly now, with people following existing lists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad I created an even game. In any case, Twibes is behaving more humanly now, with people following existing lists.</p>
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		<title>By: Brandon Mendelson</title>
		<link>http://www.centernetworks.com/heres-how-to-fix-the-twitter-suggested-user-advantage#comment-149519</link>
		<dc:creator>Brandon Mendelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:29:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve thought about deleting my Twitter account and starting over since being on the list (and seeing the 300 person a day drop that comes with not being on the list.)

I don&#039;t think, if I deleted my account, that doing so would prevent me from going to the media and saying &quot;I&#039;m an expert on Twitter&quot; because whether I had a new account or not, at one point, I did have a million users. That number, even if it&#039;s no longer currently the case, would still be salient enough to let me jump ahead of other Twitter users if I wanted / needed to, especially if I were attempting to get press for my book (which should be noted, has nothing to do with Twitter or social media.)

Everything else here I agree with, but that point stuck out at me as being well intentioned, but probably not as effective as thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve thought about deleting my Twitter account and starting over since being on the list (and seeing the 300 person a day drop that comes with not being on the list.)</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think, if I deleted my account, that doing so would prevent me from going to the media and saying &#8220;I&#8217;m an expert on Twitter&#8221; because whether I had a new account or not, at one point, I did have a million users. That number, even if it&#8217;s no longer currently the case, would still be salient enough to let me jump ahead of other Twitter users if I wanted / needed to, especially if I were attempting to get press for my book (which should be noted, has nothing to do with Twitter or social media.)</p>
<p>Everything else here I agree with, but that point stuck out at me as being well intentioned, but probably not as effective as thought.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Marshall</title>
		<link>http://www.centernetworks.com/heres-how-to-fix-the-twitter-suggested-user-advantage#comment-149347</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Marshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 03:45:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not for nothing...but that&#039;s some funny stuff right there Marshall! :-D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not for nothing&#8230;but that&#8217;s some funny stuff right there Marshall! :-D</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Marshall</title>
		<link>http://www.centernetworks.com/heres-how-to-fix-the-twitter-suggested-user-advantage#comment-149343</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Marshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 03:34:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with you on just hiding all the counts...it would actually solve a lot of problems...and if they really wanted to keep a version of it, come up with a tweet rank...don&#039;t tell anyone how it&#039;s really calculated (but base it on some level of retweeted, listed count, tweet count, followers, following, link share, etc.)...it would both generate buzz AND fix most of the &#039;follower&#039; count gripes...

Oh and as an aside, for finding &#039;interesting&#039; people to follow...I would like to humbly recommend http://grou.pe which let&#039;s you pick up to five people you&#039;re interested in as a group and then tells you who they all currently follow that you don&#039;t (disclosure: I&#039;m the developer behind grou.pe)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with you on just hiding all the counts&#8230;it would actually solve a lot of problems&#8230;and if they really wanted to keep a version of it, come up with a tweet rank&#8230;don&#8217;t tell anyone how it&#8217;s really calculated (but base it on some level of retweeted, listed count, tweet count, followers, following, link share, etc.)&#8230;it would both generate buzz AND fix most of the &#8216;follower&#8217; count gripes&#8230;</p>
<p>Oh and as an aside, for finding &#8216;interesting&#8217; people to follow&#8230;I would like to humbly recommend <a href="http://grou.pe" rel="nofollow">http://grou.pe</a> which let&#8217;s you pick up to five people you&#8217;re interested in as a group and then tells you who they all currently follow that you don&#8217;t (disclosure: I&#8217;m the developer behind grou.pe)</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Marcyes</title>
		<link>http://www.centernetworks.com/heres-how-to-fix-the-twitter-suggested-user-advantage#comment-149278</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Marcyes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 00:20:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are imbalances like the SUL in all aspects of life though. A friend recommends you for a job. Your friend goes to movie A over movie B because you thought A was better. The list goes on, and on, and on.

That&#039;s all the SUL really was, a recommendation of accounts Twitter employees thought were cool, it just happened to be on a bigger stage than a personal recommendation, bigger than the developers who created it probably ever imagined.

I think we could debate all day about whether the accounts on it deserved the recommendation but the damage has already been done and Twitter looks to be fixing the problems of the first SUL and they seem to be moving in the right direction. I also think the path to least resistance is to just leave the counts the way they are and move forward, so I&#039;m guessing that&#039;s what Twitter will do (because it&#039;s what I&#039;d do).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are imbalances like the SUL in all aspects of life though. A friend recommends you for a job. Your friend goes to movie A over movie B because you thought A was better. The list goes on, and on, and on.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s all the SUL really was, a recommendation of accounts Twitter employees thought were cool, it just happened to be on a bigger stage than a personal recommendation, bigger than the developers who created it probably ever imagined.</p>
<p>I think we could debate all day about whether the accounts on it deserved the recommendation but the damage has already been done and Twitter looks to be fixing the problems of the first SUL and they seem to be moving in the right direction. I also think the path to least resistance is to just leave the counts the way they are and move forward, so I&#8217;m guessing that&#8217;s what Twitter will do (because it&#8217;s what I&#8217;d do).</p>
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		<title>By: Marshall Kirkpatrick</title>
		<link>http://www.centernetworks.com/heres-how-to-fix-the-twitter-suggested-user-advantage#comment-149274</link>
		<dc:creator>Marshall Kirkpatrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 00:08:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No I wouldn&#039;t accept those gifts Robert.  It wasn&#039;t my account that got added to the SUL.  This is a matter of philosophical debate and I&#039;m speaking only for myself here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No I wouldn&#8217;t accept those gifts Robert.  It wasn&#8217;t my account that got added to the SUL.  This is a matter of philosophical debate and I&#8217;m speaking only for myself here.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Scoble</title>
		<link>http://www.centernetworks.com/heres-how-to-fix-the-twitter-suggested-user-advantage#comment-149273</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Scoble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 23:59:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marshall: just wondering where you stand on gifts from companies you cover? If Facebook said &quot;here&#039;s 1,000 shares of friends and family stock,&quot; would you take it? Or, if Sony said &quot;here&#039;s a free $5,000 3D TV&quot; would you take it?

If not, why did you accept a gift from Twitter worth many thousands (and potentially millions) of dollars?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marshall: just wondering where you stand on gifts from companies you cover? If Facebook said &#8220;here&#8217;s 1,000 shares of friends and family stock,&#8221; would you take it? Or, if Sony said &#8220;here&#8217;s a free $5,000 3D TV&#8221; would you take it?</p>
<p>If not, why did you accept a gift from Twitter worth many thousands (and potentially millions) of dollars?</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Scoble</title>
		<link>http://www.centernetworks.com/heres-how-to-fix-the-twitter-suggested-user-advantage#comment-149271</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Scoble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 23:56:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I look at it like some people won the lottery. The fact that they do shouldn&#039;t affect my life at all. But it took a year to get to this point. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I look at it like some people won the lottery. The fact that they do shouldn&#8217;t affect my life at all. But it took a year to get to this point. :-)</p>
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		<title>By: Marshall Kirkpatrick</title>
		<link>http://www.centernetworks.com/heres-how-to-fix-the-twitter-suggested-user-advantage#comment-149270</link>
		<dc:creator>Marshall Kirkpatrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 23:56:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Louis, note the presence of the words &quot;I THINK&quot; in that sentence.  See also this draft of my forthcoming post titled &quot;Louis Gray is Really Being Obnoxious These Days&quot; http://bit.ly/4kb77v ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Louis, note the presence of the words &#8220;I THINK&#8221; in that sentence.  See also this draft of my forthcoming post titled &#8220;Louis Gray is Really Being Obnoxious These Days&#8221; <a href="http://bit.ly/4kb77v" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/4kb77v</a> ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Scoble</title>
		<link>http://www.centernetworks.com/heres-how-to-fix-the-twitter-suggested-user-advantage#comment-149269</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Scoble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 23:54:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point, but at least the game is even and no one is applying a finger to the scale.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point, but at least the game is even and no one is applying a finger to the scale.</p>
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		<title>By: Allen Stern</title>
		<link>http://www.centernetworks.com/heres-how-to-fix-the-twitter-suggested-user-advantage#comment-149268</link>
		<dc:creator>Allen Stern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 23:53:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>agree that life is unfair - if it was fair i would be 6&#039;2&quot; with good hair HA :)

but there is a difference btw your comparison and the sul</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>agree that life is unfair &#8211; if it was fair i would be 6&#8217;2&#8243; with good hair HA :)</p>
<p>but there is a difference btw your comparison and the sul</p>
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		<title>By: Louis Gray</title>
		<link>http://www.centernetworks.com/heres-how-to-fix-the-twitter-suggested-user-advantage#comment-149267</link>
		<dc:creator>Louis Gray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 23:52:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, given this, can we expect a ReadWriteWeb article titled &quot;The Twitter leadership is made up of elitist schlubs&quot;? Looking forward to it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, given this, can we expect a ReadWriteWeb article titled &#8220;The Twitter leadership is made up of elitist schlubs&#8221;? Looking forward to it.</p>
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		<title>By: Allen Stern</title>
		<link>http://www.centernetworks.com/heres-how-to-fix-the-twitter-suggested-user-advantage#comment-149266</link>
		<dc:creator>Allen Stern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 23:52:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marshall - thanks for your thoughts. I have never wanted to be on the list and if I was added, I would ask to be removed. Why? Because I want people near me who want to be near me not because they just checked a &quot;follow all&quot; box like your blog and the blog you list as &quot;M&quot; (lol). I am confident that you have not changed your thoughts based on being listed.

Also, regarding your counts on say Facebook - remember that those too are influenced by your status on the default list. This is the real gift that Twitter gave you - it&#039;s the ability to not just monetize the direct traffic, but also to capture users in other places - rss, facebook, email, whatever.

On the general interest vs specialized type postings, I am working on a post about this - I hope to have it done end of next week.

as a side note, I am writing a lot less today because I am focusing my time on CC. I&#039;ve been trying to decide how I will handle CN going forward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marshall &#8211; thanks for your thoughts. I have never wanted to be on the list and if I was added, I would ask to be removed. Why? Because I want people near me who want to be near me not because they just checked a &#8220;follow all&#8221; box like your blog and the blog you list as &#8220;M&#8221; (lol). I am confident that you have not changed your thoughts based on being listed.</p>
<p>Also, regarding your counts on say Facebook &#8211; remember that those too are influenced by your status on the default list. This is the real gift that Twitter gave you &#8211; it&#8217;s the ability to not just monetize the direct traffic, but also to capture users in other places &#8211; rss, facebook, email, whatever.</p>
<p>On the general interest vs specialized type postings, I am working on a post about this &#8211; I hope to have it done end of next week.</p>
<p>as a side note, I am writing a lot less today because I am focusing my time on CC. I&#8217;ve been trying to decide how I will handle CN going forward.</p>
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		<title>By: Louis Gray</title>
		<link>http://www.centernetworks.com/heres-how-to-fix-the-twitter-suggested-user-advantage#comment-149265</link>
		<dc:creator>Louis Gray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 23:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can game the lists too. I noticed a lot of people on lists from Twibes. After checking out Twibes and getting added to Tech, blogging and others, my list count went from 1,100 to more than 1,600. There is always a way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can game the lists too. I noticed a lot of people on lists from Twibes. After checking out Twibes and getting added to Tech, blogging and others, my list count went from 1,100 to more than 1,600. There is always a way.</p>
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		<title>By: Louis Gray</title>
		<link>http://www.centernetworks.com/heres-how-to-fix-the-twitter-suggested-user-advantage#comment-149264</link>
		<dc:creator>Louis Gray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 23:49:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the Edge Theory Conversations broadcast I did with Chris Saad last night, I also suggested zeroing out the followers counts. Chris said this was part of game theory, and it would never happen.

Allen is right that your theory on counted retweets would only matter in a non-SUL world. We know, for instance, that Mashable has a retweet army, boosted by the SUL position. Had that account and others never been there, their numbers would be dramatically different.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the Edge Theory Conversations broadcast I did with Chris Saad last night, I also suggested zeroing out the followers counts. Chris said this was part of game theory, and it would never happen.</p>
<p>Allen is right that your theory on counted retweets would only matter in a non-SUL world. We know, for instance, that Mashable has a retweet army, boosted by the SUL position. Had that account and others never been there, their numbers would be dramatically different.</p>
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