Comments on: Saving The Music Business http://www.centernetworks.com/how-to-save-the-music-business Web 2 and Social Media News and Reviews Sat, 21 Nov 2009 01:50:56 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: rubken http://www.centernetworks.com/how-to-save-the-music-business/comment-page-#comment-17980 rubken Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-17980 Independent artists still use rights collection agencies. I have no record deal but I have created music that gets used on tv now and again. The only way I can collect my royalties for that use is through the PRS/MCPS (I'm based in the UK). A global rights agency would be a great thing but it's hard to persuade turkeys to vote for Christmas. You would be asking ASCAP, BMI, PRS/MCPS and all the hundreds of other organisations to quietly go away. I think Hank's idea would be great for the consumer and it give a real positive incentive to have an exclusively legal music library. I would want the licence to last in perpetuity though. I have several hundred CDs and albums. I want those to be inherited by my children and as physical objects they can be. I am also not sure I trust this central licensing authority will exist in 50 years time. If they fold what happens when I lose my iPod? Yahoo Music is shutting down its DRM server. This means that the only way customers of this service can port their purchases to a new pc or mp3 player is to rip them to CD and strip the DRM. This is Yahoo not some castles of clouds startup. The music industry's stupid Byzantine structures and practices are now killing it. I think it would be better to think of what we will do once this current iteration is no more. If the major labels keep suing their customers and producing awful content in massive volume it will fall apart sooner rather than later. Ironically one of the best ideas for the future of music commerce comes from Pirate Bay. They envision a future where artists are paid directly per download tracked by torrent servers which become the (incredibly efficient) primary means of digital distribution. This model could either be advertising or subscription based, with advertising the favourite as contextual targeting could be easily and accurately implemented. Independent artists still use rights collection agencies. I have no record deal but I have created music that gets used on tv now and again. The only way I can collect my royalties for that use is through the PRS/MCPS (I’m based in the UK).

A global rights agency would be a great thing but it’s hard to persuade turkeys to vote for Christmas. You would be asking ASCAP, BMI, PRS/MCPS and all the hundreds of other organisations to quietly go away.

I think Hank’s idea would be great for the consumer and it give a real positive incentive to have an exclusively legal music library. I would want the licence to last in perpetuity though. I have several hundred CDs and albums. I want those to be inherited by my children and as physical objects they can be.

I am also not sure I trust this central licensing authority will exist in 50 years time. If they fold what happens when I lose my iPod? Yahoo Music is shutting down its DRM server. This means that the only way customers of this service can port their purchases to a new pc or mp3 player is to rip them to CD and strip the DRM. This is Yahoo not some castles of clouds startup.

The music industry’s stupid Byzantine structures and practices are now killing it. I think it would be better to think of what we will do once this current iteration is no more. If the major labels keep suing their customers and producing awful content in massive volume it will fall apart sooner rather than later.

Ironically one of the best ideas for the future of music commerce comes from Pirate Bay. They envision a future where artists are paid directly per download tracked by torrent servers which become the (incredibly efficient) primary means of digital distribution. This model could either be advertising or subscription based, with advertising the favourite as contextual targeting could be easily and accurately implemented.

]]> By: Rahsheen http://www.centernetworks.com/how-to-save-the-music-business/comment-page-#comment-18261 Rahsheen Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-18261 This is a very interesting concept and seems to make perfect sense to me. As an artist, I am very interested in finding out what services or groups of services currently exist that even approach the type of system you're talking about. I don't want to be signed to a label. I don't think that, in this day and age, it's a benefit to me to have a third party sucking away all my profits. I'm sure there are no global solutions at this point, but it seems like services such as Last.fm in combination with Indiestore come pretty close. This is a very interesting concept and seems to make perfect sense to me. As an artist, I am very interested in finding out what services or groups of services currently exist that even approach the type of system you’re talking about.

I don’t want to be signed to a label. I don’t think that, in this day and age, it’s a benefit to me to have a third party sucking away all my profits.

I’m sure there are no global solutions at this point, but it seems like services such as Last.fm in combination with Indiestore come pretty close.

]]> By: plrbear http://www.centernetworks.com/how-to-save-the-music-business/comment-page-#comment-18264 plrbear Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-18264 your idea makes sense to the extend that you would have to create an international "rights society". And there we have (the) a monster nobody needs and wants. If we talk about rights societies, users don't like them and many bands don't trust them either. hence the "independent" movement. In either way this rights society should also not be paid by the users or consumers, but by the labels and companies for all the benefits they get (datamining, market information, demographics, users etc.). else, I really like the cloud. your idea makes sense to the extend that you would have to create an international “rights society”. And there we have (the) a monster nobody needs and wants. If we talk about rights societies, users don’t like them and many bands don’t trust them either. hence the “independent” movement. In either way this rights society should also not be paid by the users or consumers, but by the labels and companies for all the benefits they get (datamining, market information, demographics, users etc.).

else, I really like the cloud.

]]> By: Brad Hart http://www.centernetworks.com/how-to-save-the-music-business/comment-page-#comment-18561 Brad Hart Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-18561 I have to disagree the problem with the music industry is the product is easy to steal, it is the greed and stupidity they have shown for too long. Packing albums with filler never meant to be released has turned off a lot of music buyers. Even if MP3's went away tomorrow they would never recover from this blunder, too many people are just fed up with that sort of behavior. Furthermore instead of investing steadily in artists, the industry picks pretty people with some talent markets the hell out of them spending way more than most of them will earn in a lifetime for themselves then it throws them away after the first album if it failed to cover the expenses in short order. I have to disagree the problem with the music industry is the product is easy to steal, it is the greed and stupidity they have shown for too long. Packing albums with filler never meant to be released has turned off a lot of music buyers. Even if MP3’s went away tomorrow they would never recover from this blunder, too many people are just fed up with that sort of behavior. Furthermore instead of investing steadily in artists, the industry picks pretty people with some talent markets the hell out of them spending way more than most of them will earn in a lifetime for themselves then it throws them away after the first album if it failed to cover the expenses in short order.

]]> By: rubken http://www.centernetworks.com/how-to-save-the-music-business/comment-page-#comment-18562 rubken Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-18562 Another major reason for the industry downturn is that format replacement purchases have dried up. Labels made a lot of money out of folks repurchasing all their vinyl on CD. That's over now but they're still chasing those illusory boom times. Another major reason for the industry downturn is that format replacement purchases have dried up. Labels made a lot of money out of folks repurchasing all their vinyl on CD. That’s over now but they’re still chasing those illusory boom times.

]]> By: Kay http://www.centernetworks.com/how-to-save-the-music-business/comment-page-#comment-18567 Kay Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-18567 Finally, someone who makes some sense! I believe in the artist and recording company receiving their dues, but if I purchase a digital copy of a favorite song, I should have full rights to put that song on any and all of my digital players. Finally, someone who makes some sense! I believe in the artist and recording company receiving their dues, but if I purchase a digital copy of a favorite song, I should have full rights to put that song on any and all of my digital players.

]]> By: dean collins http://www.centernetworks.com/how-to-save-the-music-business/comment-page-#comment-18577 dean collins Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-18577 This is exactly why i buy all of my music on cd's and will continue to for the forseeable future. When companies like Yahoo can just turn off drm servers and you lose all of your purchases with no recourse you're screwed. So when I recently moved from MusicMatch to Media Monkey http://deancollinsblog.blogspot.com/2008/07/mediamonkey-rocks.html all I had to do was sit down and over the course of two weekends rip all my tracks off the discs and put them away again. Sure it's a pain and time consuming but at least I know some 'suit' somewhere cant turn off my ability to lsiten to content I've already purchased. Cheers, Dean This is exactly why i buy all of my music on cd’s and will continue to for the forseeable future.

When companies like Yahoo can just turn off drm servers and you lose all of your purchases with no recourse you’re screwed.

So when I recently moved from MusicMatch to Media Monkey
http://deancollinsblog.blogspot.com/2008/07/mediamonkey-rocks.html
all I had to do was sit down and over the course of two weekends rip all my tracks off the discs and put them away again.

Sure it’s a pain and time consuming but at least I know some ’suit’ somewhere cant turn off my ability to lsiten to content I’ve already purchased.

Cheers,
Dean

]]> By: Jeremy Horn http://www.centernetworks.com/how-to-save-the-music-business/comment-page-#comment-18580 Jeremy Horn Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-18580 Hank, cool write-up. Having control over the music experience through portability (and seemingly many other aspects of Modular Innovation) is very appealing -- and probably inevitable. I am recommending this as some good Weekend Reading to everyone... <a href="http://tpgblog.com/2008/07/25/the-product-guys-weekend-reading-july-25-2008/">http://tpgblog.com/2008/07/25/the-product-guys-weekend-reading-july-25-2008/</a> Jeremy Horn The Product Guy <a href="http://tpgblog.com">http://tpgblog.com</a> Hank, cool write-up. Having control over the music experience through portability (and seemingly many other aspects of Modular Innovation) is very appealing — and probably inevitable. I am recommending this as some good Weekend Reading to everyone…

http://tpgblog.com/2008/07/25/the-product-guys-weekend-reading-july-25-2008/

Jeremy Horn
The Product Guy
http://tpgblog.com

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