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		<title>By: Augie Ray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Augie Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 03:50:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Allen,

I enjoyed your blog post and totally agree with you.  I think paid blog posts are wrong for brands and tend to diminish rather than enhance brands that engage in this tactic.

I also wanted to inform you that I used a small part of your article on my blog.  Because I disagree with Forrester&#039;s stand on paid blog posts, I issued a public offer to Forrester to accept a paid blog post promoting my blog on the Groundswell blog.  I was surprised when they responded via a post on their Groundswell blog.  Thought you might be interested.

My blog post:  http://www.experiencetheblog.com/2009/08/my-paid-blog-post-on-forrester-blog.html

Forrester&#039;s response: http://blogs.forrester.com/groundswell/2009/08/to-augie-ray-thanks-for-the-offer-but-we-dont-take-sponsorships.html

Great, insightful blog post.  Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Allen,</p>
<p>I enjoyed your blog post and totally agree with you.  I think paid blog posts are wrong for brands and tend to diminish rather than enhance brands that engage in this tactic.</p>
<p>I also wanted to inform you that I used a small part of your article on my blog.  Because I disagree with Forrester&#8217;s stand on paid blog posts, I issued a public offer to Forrester to accept a paid blog post promoting my blog on the Groundswell blog.  I was surprised when they responded via a post on their Groundswell blog.  Thought you might be interested.</p>
<p>My blog post:  <a href="http://www.experiencetheblog.com/2009/08/my-paid-blog-post-on-forrester-blog.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.experiencetheblog.com/2009/08/my-paid-blog-post-on-forrester-blog.html</a></p>
<p>Forrester&#8217;s response: <a href="http://blogs.forrester.com/groundswell/2009/08/to-augie-ray-thanks-for-the-offer-but-we-dont-take-sponsorships.html" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.forrester.com/groundswell/2009/08/to-augie-ray-thanks-for-the-offer-but-we-dont-take-sponsorships.html</a></p>
<p>Great, insightful blog post.  Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Maggie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maggie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s one long post Allen! You make some great points. I won&#039;t run paid review posts either - it juse does not feel right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s one long post Allen! You make some great points. I won&#8217;t run paid review posts either &#8211; it juse does not feel right.</p>
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		<title>By: JustinSMV</title>
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		<dc:creator>JustinSMV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think paid posts are ok if you truly do believe in the product and not just sell out to all advertisers.  I mean if you just write about everything then its kinda dumb.  Great points you have here!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think paid posts are ok if you truly do believe in the product and not just sell out to all advertisers.  I mean if you just write about everything then its kinda dumb.  Great points you have here!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the dollah bill pushes people to do things they normally would not do</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the dollah bill pushes people to do things they normally would not do</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>perhaps biggie was right when he sang mo&#039; money mo&#039; problems</description>
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		<title>By: Gisele</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gisele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post!

I&#039;m a blogger and I&#039;ve worked in some campaigns hiring bloggers in Brazil. It&#039;s funny to compare how these things go here and in the US and other places.

I think paid posts are somehow so new for everyone here in Brazil, that is always a big issue... some days ago, during a bloggers meeting, I could notice that people were most likely not to do paid posts, but reviews in exchange of products seemed to be cool for them. 

I&#039;ve always thought in US bloggers had already overcome these paid posts matters... but reading the story, your points and the comments, I can see that this is a subject bloggers, advertising and PR folks still need to talk about.



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a blogger and I&#8217;ve worked in some campaigns hiring bloggers in Brazil. It&#8217;s funny to compare how these things go here and in the US and other places.</p>
<p>I think paid posts are somehow so new for everyone here in Brazil, that is always a big issue&#8230; some days ago, during a bloggers meeting, I could notice that people were most likely not to do paid posts, but reviews in exchange of products seemed to be cool for them. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve always thought in US bloggers had already overcome these paid posts matters&#8230; but reading the story, your points and the comments, I can see that this is a subject bloggers, advertising and PR folks still need to talk about.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Brazell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron Brazell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post, Allen. Even handed.

For my part, I did the pre-post, the post then I will do a post-post (??) in a few days that will pull together lessons learned. There are a variety of reasons why I did the Sears thing, not the least was to give IZEA a chance to redeem themselves in the eyes of the blogosphere. 

Anyways.... more later. Thanks for the writeup.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post, Allen. Even handed.</p>
<p>For my part, I did the pre-post, the post then I will do a post-post (??) in a few days that will pull together lessons learned. There are a variety of reasons why I did the Sears thing, not the least was to give IZEA a chance to redeem themselves in the eyes of the blogosphere. </p>
<p>Anyways&#8230;. more later. Thanks for the writeup.</p>
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		<title>By: Lucretia M. Pruitt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lucretia M. Pruitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I stand behind what I said on Saturday (proof you don&#039;t really read my firehose of a twitterstream, lol, although Jeremiah did before posting) 
http://geekmommy.net/2008/12/13/what-is-your-time-worth-whats-worth-your-time/

I&#039;m actually in a very different position to judge this and I&#039;ll tell you right now - you associate your name with a retailer in the present Blogosphere mindset? You are damned if you do, damned if you don&#039;t.

What I mean by that was the number of people who have posted since August being convinced that as one of Walmart&#039;s Elevenmoms I must a) be getting paid, b) never shop at Walmart, c) be getting kickbacks or something and when they find out that a) nope, not paid b) yep, have shopped regularly at Walmart for years, c) nope, didn&#039;t even get a $500 Walmart gift card from Nickelodeon who paid for the $500 contest on my site (and other 11moms&#039;) - then the tune turns to how I&#039;m &#039;holding other bloggers back because now retailers will think that we will work for them for free!&#039;

There&#039;s an old adage that says a man walks up to a woman and says &quot;would you sleep with me?&quot; and she looks offended and says &quot;no!&quot; and he says &quot;okay, would you sleep with me for $1,000,000?&quot; and she says &quot;well, of course!&quot; and he replies with &quot;now that we&#039;ve established what kind of woman you are, let&#039;s talk price.&quot;

Integrity isn&#039;t something you can buy or sell.  You&#039;ve either got it, or you don&#039;t.  Some people will never, ever believe that I could say positive things about Walmart without being paid for it. Some people would never believe you if you told them that I could be bought out by anyone.  The first sort? Will always believe that paid/sponsored blogging events are wrong and evil and biased.  The second sort will not.

It&#039;s not about whether or not marketers will move into social media on this level - it&#039;s about whether or not you believe the individual bloggers they work with have integrity or not. If you do? Then if that blogger gives a positive review, you&#039;re more likely to check it out. If you don&#039;t? Then the retailer is spending their money unwisely.

~GeekMommy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I stand behind what I said on Saturday (proof you don&#8217;t really read my firehose of a twitterstream, lol, although Jeremiah did before posting)<br />
<a href="http://geekmommy.net/2008/12/13/what-is-your-time-worth-whats-worth-your-time/" rel="nofollow">http://geekmommy.net/2008/12/13/what-is-your-time-worth-whats-worth-your-time/</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;m actually in a very different position to judge this and I&#8217;ll tell you right now &#8211; you associate your name with a retailer in the present Blogosphere mindset? You are damned if you do, damned if you don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>What I mean by that was the number of people who have posted since August being convinced that as one of Walmart&#8217;s Elevenmoms I must a) be getting paid, b) never shop at Walmart, c) be getting kickbacks or something and when they find out that a) nope, not paid b) yep, have shopped regularly at Walmart for years, c) nope, didn&#8217;t even get a $500 Walmart gift card from Nickelodeon who paid for the $500 contest on my site (and other 11moms&#8217;) &#8211; then the tune turns to how I&#8217;m &#8216;holding other bloggers back because now retailers will think that we will work for them for free!&#8217;</p>
<p>There&#8217;s an old adage that says a man walks up to a woman and says &#8220;would you sleep with me?&#8221; and she looks offended and says &#8220;no!&#8221; and he says &#8220;okay, would you sleep with me for $1,000,000?&#8221; and she says &#8220;well, of course!&#8221; and he replies with &#8220;now that we&#8217;ve established what kind of woman you are, let&#8217;s talk price.&#8221;</p>
<p>Integrity isn&#8217;t something you can buy or sell.  You&#8217;ve either got it, or you don&#8217;t.  Some people will never, ever believe that I could say positive things about Walmart without being paid for it. Some people would never believe you if you told them that I could be bought out by anyone.  The first sort? Will always believe that paid/sponsored blogging events are wrong and evil and biased.  The second sort will not.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not about whether or not marketers will move into social media on this level &#8211; it&#8217;s about whether or not you believe the individual bloggers they work with have integrity or not. If you do? Then if that blogger gives a positive review, you&#8217;re more likely to check it out. If you don&#8217;t? Then the retailer is spending their money unwisely.</p>
<p>~GeekMommy</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great story for social media marketing practice</description>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;cite&gt;You are damned if you do, damned if you don&#039;t.&lt;/cite&gt; Wait, where is the damned if you don&#039;t?

How would have denying participation in Walmart&#039;s program have damned you? It wouldn&#039;t have. But by participating you get pageviews, twitter exposure, and one lifetime reader (the winner). Sure you weren&#039;t paid (and even worse if you were), but all of this all translates into exposure ,which translates into revenue and anyone with an account on blogger and adsense knows it. Hell, anyone on the internet today knows it. This is where sustainability with this model is going to fail. It won&#039;t be long till every mommy blog and SME guru will be considered a schister.

link bait is dead. long live link bait.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><cite>You are damned if you do, damned if you don&#8217;t.</cite> Wait, where is the damned if you don&#8217;t?</p>
<p>How would have denying participation in Walmart&#8217;s program have damned you? It wouldn&#8217;t have. But by participating you get pageviews, twitter exposure, and one lifetime reader (the winner). Sure you weren&#8217;t paid (and even worse if you were), but all of this all translates into exposure ,which translates into revenue and anyone with an account on blogger and adsense knows it. Hell, anyone on the internet today knows it. This is where sustainability with this model is going to fail. It won&#8217;t be long till every mommy blog and SME guru will be considered a schister.</p>
<p>link bait is dead. long live link bait.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;cite&gt;&quot;The average mainstream blog reader doesn&#039;t know the different(sic) between paid shill and unbiased, authentic reviews.&quot;&lt;/cite&gt; Give us some fucking credit.

This was a great post. I have to say I agree with pretty much everything you said. This whole mess isn&#039;t a big deal today, but it&#039;s a huge deal in the long term. If the big guys are actually biting at this they are going to drown and the bulletin boards, ning communities, youtube channels, micro-communities, will become that much stronger.  I have yet to decide if the long term detriment with be localized (per blog) or global (a la blogosphere) but the effect will be negative. This will be fun to watch. Actually it already is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><cite>&#8220;The average mainstream blog reader doesn&#8217;t know the different(sic) between paid shill and unbiased, authentic reviews.&#8221;</cite> Give us some fucking credit.</p>
<p>This was a great post. I have to say I agree with pretty much everything you said. This whole mess isn&#8217;t a big deal today, but it&#8217;s a huge deal in the long term. If the big guys are actually biting at this they are going to drown and the bulletin boards, ning communities, youtube channels, micro-communities, will become that much stronger.  I have yet to decide if the long term detriment with be localized (per blog) or global (a la blogosphere) but the effect will be negative. This will be fun to watch. Actually it already is.</p>
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		<title>By: Lucretia Pruitt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lucretia Pruitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um, try again - you&#039;re damned if you get paid, damned if you don&#039;t.
Good to see that you were paying such close attention.

You also must&#039;ve missed that part about not being able to buy someone with integrity - but since you commented Anonymously, that&#039;s not too surprising now, is it?

~GM
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, try again &#8211; you&#8217;re damned if you get paid, damned if you don&#8217;t.<br />
Good to see that you were paying such close attention.</p>
<p>You also must&#8217;ve missed that part about not being able to buy someone with integrity &#8211; but since you commented Anonymously, that&#8217;s not too surprising now, is it?</p>
<p>~GM</p>
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		<title>By: Lucretia Pruitt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lucretia Pruitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh and since you seem to need the clarification? Try re-reading the part where I explained what &quot;damned if you don&#039;t&quot; means. It doesn&#039;t mean &#039;you get no benefits&#039; it means other people damn you with critiques like &#039;you&#039;re setting all bloggers back&#039;.

Sorry, just didn&#039;t need to waste my time coming back to point that out *after* you tried and failed to understand it a second time.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh and since you seem to need the clarification? Try re-reading the part where I explained what &#8220;damned if you don&#8217;t&#8221; means. It doesn&#8217;t mean &#8216;you get no benefits&#8217; it means other people damn you with critiques like &#8216;you&#8217;re setting all bloggers back&#8217;.</p>
<p>Sorry, just didn&#8217;t need to waste my time coming back to point that out *after* you tried and failed to understand it a second time.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoa whoa whoa. That wasn&#039;t an attack on you. I&#039;m not saying you have done anything wrong. I&#039;m trying to explain to you why some of your readers may be thinking some of the negative things they do about your association with walmart. 

It&#039;s very apparent some of your readers didn&#039;t like it. It&#039;s also very apparent you&#039;re sensitive about it. I suggest you think of reasons  (or listens to others ideas) on reasons why some readers might not like the contest and adjust accordingly (both you and walmart). Now that would be some good marketing.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoa whoa whoa. That wasn&#8217;t an attack on you. I&#8217;m not saying you have done anything wrong. I&#8217;m trying to explain to you why some of your readers may be thinking some of the negative things they do about your association with walmart. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s very apparent some of your readers didn&#8217;t like it. It&#8217;s also very apparent you&#8217;re sensitive about it. I suggest you think of reasons  (or listens to others ideas) on reasons why some readers might not like the contest and adjust accordingly (both you and walmart). Now that would be some good marketing.</p>
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		<title>By: GeekMommy</title>
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		<dc:creator>GeekMommy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I give up. You&#039;re not reading clearly.

No one has commented that my or Nickelodeon&#039;s contest (for a Walmart gift card) is inappropriate.  It is only people who comment on other blogs, like you, my anonymous &#039;friend&#039; who like to cast stones at anyone blogging who affiliates themselves in any manner with a retailer. Only usually, they have the guts to put their names to it.

Walmart is doing good marketing - they do it transparently, openly, and honestly. Which is more than I can say for your comments.

Good night and good luck to you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I give up. You&#8217;re not reading clearly.</p>
<p>No one has commented that my or Nickelodeon&#8217;s contest (for a Walmart gift card) is inappropriate.  It is only people who comment on other blogs, like you, my anonymous &#8216;friend&#8217; who like to cast stones at anyone blogging who affiliates themselves in any manner with a retailer. Only usually, they have the guts to put their names to it.</p>
<p>Walmart is doing good marketing &#8211; they do it transparently, openly, and honestly. Which is more than I can say for your comments.</p>
<p>Good night and good luck to you.</p>
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