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Jason Calacanis replies to (one) of my concerns with Mahalo
I reviewed the launch of the new human directory called Mahalo yesterday. In it, I discuss four of my concerns with this new directory. I posted my review on the Wikia search mailing list and (much to my shock) Jason replied. I thought ya'all might be interested in what he had to say.
In response to my review, he replied with the following (my emphasis):
only critical review?!?! you're kidding right? the SEO slimebuckets are going crazy saying this will never work (I wonder why... :-)
if you want to do a real review I suggest taking our search pages and compare them to Google, Yahoo, and Ask. Your review doesn't really do that.
That being said we only have 4,000 pages and it's like Wikipedia in year one... we've got a long way to go. In a year when there are 10,000+ it will make more sense. also, you have nothing to lose if you use mahalo: we show google if we dont have a response--so nothing
lost, and a huge gain if we have a hit!
j
Since he did not address any of my concerns, I submitted the following to the mailing list:
Jason,
It would be great for you to provide responses to the 4 points I mention in my review. And you should know that calling people names behind their backs would never be allowed on the handball court in bay ridge. Especially since your site could become the next "experts-exchange" and since you appear to want to own the seo space, the same space you claim is dead.
I understand how your service works and whether you have 4k or 10k, it will work the same. Perhaps you can provide this mailing list with the RTB and other benefits that you sold the investors for Mahalo.
-- Allen
Jason promptly replied with the following (my emphasis):
My point about seo is that it is gaming the system and done by weak people who have sites that shouldn't rank high. We are not trying to seo--we are trying to help people avoid bad sites and find good ones.
We hope seo dies--quickly. I'm afraid it will be slow however.
Seo means making your sites better for search engines. Mahalo fights against that--we reward people who optimize their sites for humans. :)
Seo will be a footnote in the history of searxh in five years. Jimmy wales and his team, and the team at mahalo.com will end this nonsense in short order.
Mahalo and wikia FTW!!!
J
Unfortunately he did not answer three of my concerns nor share the information that he shared with his investors on why this is such a great play. Jason has a pattern of calling SEO people names and while there are a ton of horribly unethical SEO people out there, there are an equally good amount of people who are doing good things in the space. He claims that SEO is not for Mahalo but won't directly answer my question. And I have no idea what he means by "optimize by humans".











Boy, it sounds like you really struck a nerve. It always amazes me when people attempting to market their product are so quick to lash out when receiving some constructive criticism. How do they expect to get anywhere if they vehemently avoid real concerns?
My real concern with his response is the differentiation between "making your sites better for search engines" and "[optimizing] their sites for humans". He is throwing out the baby with the bathwater, casting off all of the good elements that have come out of SEO, such as search engine friendly URL's (which, BTW, are also much friendlier to humans), etc.
I can tell you one thing for certain: based on his less-than-professional (to put it mildly) response to your review, I will be very cautious about using any products with the name Jason Calacanis attached.
BTW - It's obvious you're not from the south. "y'all" only has one "a" in it. :)
"yall" has an apostrophe? :)
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Please understand that Jason has never replied to one of my emails in the last year except when he stated "don't be a jerk" in reply to a comment I made when he called Neil by an incorrect name.
More about this to come later tonight most likely.
Y'all is the common spelling from the deep south. Transplanters use the ya'all to offer the combo of the NY'er "ya" plus the south "all" in a descriptive. The basis is unknown but appears to have started when some Yankee fans visited a Waffle House for some smothered covered.
answered your four questions on the other post.... here they are again. Thanks so much for taking the time to check out the project and for giving your feedback. We are looking for ways to make search better and any ideas you can give us we welcome.
mahalo for your feedback!
jason
1. Search or directory? We're a hybrid. We have a category system so folks can use the directory approach, but we present our results like search engine results. However, our pages have a peer/audience review model, so we're sort of like delicious/digg too. For this reason I think you might want to use the term "search service." Of course, this is ALPHA... you're only seeing a fraction of what we have planned.
2. AboutUs seems to be a directory of people and places... we're more of a search result. Also, they let anyone edit the page while we maintain the page with feedback and debate (on the message boards). I think it's two very different things. AboutUs seems more like WhoIs or Spock--I think AboutUs might be something we link to frankly.
3. Sustainability. Well, people told me that Weblogs, Inc. would not be sustainable four years ago. However, we hit 300 bloggers and 10,000+ blog posts a month. We did that with very little resources. We have much deeper resources now so we will have no problem getting from 4,000 to 10,000 to 25,000 results--it will just take a LOT of time. That is why I funded the company so deeply. Additionally, we hope the audience will help us make these page better. Take a look at the Twitter or Apple SeRP and you'll see the public is already sending in quality links.
4. Are we an SEO master? If Google wants to index us well that's fine with us, but our model is not based on being well indexed in Google or Yahoo. Our model is in creating human curated search results that are very helpful to users. Compare the product to the product and let me know what you think. Compare iPhone, Paris Hotels, Pizza, and Flatpanel TV on Mahalo to those same searches on google, yahoo, ask, msn, and wikipedia. That is what this is really about... not these other issues.
Allen I think you need to change the title :p
now if they were to create a toolbar that somehow tracked what links you thought were useful to your search term on other search engines and added that data(once it had been quailfied as not span) it could be quite neat.
This has got to be the ultimate "Web2.0" investor scam. Good luck suckers!
Whoops, I meant "Mahalo, suckers!"
will this ever get legs? i just don't see your average person using anything but the big 3 in search...ever!