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	<title>Comments on: Real Time Confusion: Twitter, Friendfeed and Facebook</title>
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		<title>By: Elijah Bailey 9zu)</title>
		<link>http://www.centernetworks.com/real-time-twitter-friendfeed-facebook/comment-page-1#comment-27101</link>
		<dc:creator>Elijah Bailey 9zu)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 08:39:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With Feedly, I&#039;m way more aware before posting as I can see if that was already feeded in. Reduces my post cloning there a lot since I&#039;m doing it, and can get to the &#039;first&#039; source, else the one from my subscriptions. It gets me to know more about people through it (by searching the service in total) and brings me closer to other related topics and connections. Remember about &#039;related entries&#039;? I don&#039;t see it as much now, if that was done by parsing the same URLs that&#039;d be great, but we&#039;ll lose functionality (friendfeedlinks) maybe if we could have a &quot;See everything for that URL in one thread&quot;, that would be terrific!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With Feedly, I&#8217;m way more aware before posting as I can see if that was already feeded in. Reduces my post cloning there a lot since I&#8217;m doing it, and can get to the &#8216;first&#8217; source, else the one from my subscriptions. It gets me to know more about people through it (by searching the service in total) and brings me closer to other related topics and connections. Remember about &#8216;related entries&#8217;? I don&#8217;t see it as much now, if that was done by parsing the same URLs that&#8217;d be great, but we&#8217;ll lose functionality (friendfeedlinks) maybe if we could have a &#8220;See everything for that URL in one thread&#8221;, that would be terrific!</p>
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		<title>By: Grok2</title>
		<link>http://www.centernetworks.com/real-time-twitter-friendfeed-facebook/comment-page-1#comment-26933</link>
		<dc:creator>Grok2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 00:00:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FriendFeed/Disqus should probably hash a given users comments coming in via api from alternate sources and avoid duplication. Also perhaps their api should request for hash from the api user (and store this hash against all comments) to avoid this hash computation being compute intensive for them.

It&#039;s a surprise to me that with all this export and re-feeding of comments, there isn&#039;t a infinite loop of comments moving from one service to another and causing the Internet to break down with all the traffic!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FriendFeed/Disqus should probably hash a given users comments coming in via api from alternate sources and avoid duplication. Also perhaps their api should request for hash from the api user (and store this hash against all comments) to avoid this hash computation being compute intensive for them.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a surprise to me that with all this export and re-feeding of comments, there isn&#8217;t a infinite loop of comments moving from one service to another and causing the Internet to break down with all the traffic!</p>
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		<title>By: Monique</title>
		<link>http://www.centernetworks.com/real-time-twitter-friendfeed-facebook/comment-page-1#comment-26856</link>
		<dc:creator>Monique</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 20:24:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just started using facebook again and use ff and twiter thru it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just started using facebook again and use ff and twiter thru it.</p>
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		<title>By: giancarlo</title>
		<link>http://www.centernetworks.com/real-time-twitter-friendfeed-facebook/comment-page-1#comment-26801</link>
		<dc:creator>giancarlo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 18:21:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think if FF ate up Ping.FM it would take them above Twitter and Facebook. As far for comment replies, it is true they need to work on that. And also the color scheme.=.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think if FF ate up Ping.FM it would take them above Twitter and Facebook. As far for comment replies, it is true they need to work on that. And also the color scheme.=.</p>
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		<title>By: guruvan (Rob Nelson)</title>
		<link>http://www.centernetworks.com/real-time-twitter-friendfeed-facebook/comment-page-1#comment-26772</link>
		<dc:creator>guruvan (Rob Nelson)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 15:25:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>None of us are happy with the way that is working, as far as I can tell. Commenters, blog writers, and readers, are all dissatsfied with the process, and I think we  could put some pressure on whichever company needs to fix things, because, of course, its not just the disqus issue that needs to be fixed, there are several sets of disjointed commenting systems, and similar. 

And Allen, though the bulk of internet users don&#039;t care about realtime, this is likely because they don&#039;t know to yet. The same arguement could have been made about the internet in general in the 90s - the bulk of the population didn&#039;t give a crap about the internet then. But now they realize how much they depend on it. Don&#039;t you think that realtime will be the same?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>None of us are happy with the way that is working, as far as I can tell. Commenters, blog writers, and readers, are all dissatsfied with the process, and I think we  could put some pressure on whichever company needs to fix things, because, of course, its not just the disqus issue that needs to be fixed, there are several sets of disjointed commenting systems, and similar. </p>
<p>And Allen, though the bulk of internet users don&#8217;t care about realtime, this is likely because they don&#8217;t know to yet. The same arguement could have been made about the internet in general in the 90s &#8211; the bulk of the population didn&#8217;t give a crap about the internet then. But now they realize how much they depend on it. Don&#8217;t you think that realtime will be the same?</p>
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		<title>By: dsims</title>
		<link>http://www.centernetworks.com/real-time-twitter-friendfeed-facebook/comment-page-1#comment-26770</link>
		<dc:creator>dsims</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 15:13:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem here is with Twitter.  FriendFeed and Facebook have &quot;real&quot; commenting system to facilitate &quot;real&quot; conversations.  Twitter has a hack called the @reply.  It&#039;s not FriendFeed&#039;s fault that you are using a status-sharing platform to try to talk to people.

FriendFeed has mechanisms to deal with noisy services like Twitter &amp; Disqus:  You can hide them.  I do agree that they could do a better job at grouping similar content though.

As for your article title, what did this have to do with &quot;real-time&quot;?  And what does it have to do with Facebook?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem here is with Twitter.  FriendFeed and Facebook have &#8220;real&#8221; commenting system to facilitate &#8220;real&#8221; conversations.  Twitter has a hack called the @reply.  It&#8217;s not FriendFeed&#8217;s fault that you are using a status-sharing platform to try to talk to people.</p>
<p>FriendFeed has mechanisms to deal with noisy services like Twitter &amp; Disqus:  You can hide them.  I do agree that they could do a better job at grouping similar content though.</p>
<p>As for your article title, what did this have to do with &#8220;real-time&#8221;?  And what does it have to do with Facebook?</p>
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		<title>By: fred wilson</title>
		<link>http://www.centernetworks.com/real-time-twitter-friendfeed-facebook/comment-page-1#comment-26742</link>
		<dc:creator>fred wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 09:57:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think the specific problem you point out with my feed is friendfeed&#039;s poor implementation of disqus comments

they could do so much better with them</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think the specific problem you point out with my feed is friendfeed&#8217;s poor implementation of disqus comments</p>
<p>they could do so much better with them</p>
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		<title>By: Allen Stern</title>
		<link>http://www.centernetworks.com/real-time-twitter-friendfeed-facebook/comment-page-1#comment-26741</link>
		<dc:creator>Allen Stern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 09:57:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yep darren - truth is 99% of the internet doesn&#039;t give a crap about realtime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yep darren &#8211; truth is 99% of the internet doesn&#8217;t give a crap about realtime.</p>
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		<title>By: Darren</title>
		<link>http://www.centernetworks.com/real-time-twitter-friendfeed-facebook/comment-page-1#comment-26734</link>
		<dc:creator>Darren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 07:54:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the problem highlighted is friendfeeds problem to solve and if they do it then they could be huge. 

I think realtime has just replaced web20 in buzz word and maybe we stopped off at social media on the way :p</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the problem highlighted is friendfeeds problem to solve and if they do it then they could be huge. </p>
<p>I think realtime has just replaced web20 in buzz word and maybe we stopped off at social media on the way :p</p>
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		<title>By: Nikolay Kolev</title>
		<link>http://www.centernetworks.com/real-time-twitter-friendfeed-facebook/comment-page-1#comment-26730</link>
		<dc:creator>Nikolay Kolev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 07:46:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Facebook already is a mini-FriendFeed and I think in 2010-11, there will be just Facebook. Twitter and FriendFeed cannot survive even if Twitter gets so much publicity these days (it was the same case with MySpace just a couple of years ago).

We all love Facebook, because it does it all in one place and it does it well. It may not support all services FriendFeed does, but it supports the major ones.

The problem you mention with re-posting I personally call &quot;echoes&quot;. Until there&#039;s meta data associated to each activity item (for example, a GUID URL), echoes will continue to add noise and make our lives more and more miserable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Facebook already is a mini-FriendFeed and I think in 2010-11, there will be just Facebook. Twitter and FriendFeed cannot survive even if Twitter gets so much publicity these days (it was the same case with MySpace just a couple of years ago).</p>
<p>We all love Facebook, because it does it all in one place and it does it well. It may not support all services FriendFeed does, but it supports the major ones.</p>
<p>The problem you mention with re-posting I personally call &#8220;echoes&#8221;. Until there&#8217;s meta data associated to each activity item (for example, a GUID URL), echoes will continue to add noise and make our lives more and more miserable.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://www.centernetworks.com/real-time-twitter-friendfeed-facebook/comment-page-1#comment-26714</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 04:42:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The way I look at it Twitter is being used as that tentative first step into micro-blogging/social networking. Once a new internet user gets used to it then follows the jog and then the sprint.

Friendfeed will most likely play second fiddle to Twitter and Facebook unless, like you said, they can find solutions that will allow them to go mainstream. 

But would you really like Kutcher to be on Friendfeed?

P.S. Should I just comment here or should I copy/paste to Friendfeed?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The way I look at it Twitter is being used as that tentative first step into micro-blogging/social networking. Once a new internet user gets used to it then follows the jog and then the sprint.</p>
<p>Friendfeed will most likely play second fiddle to Twitter and Facebook unless, like you said, they can find solutions that will allow them to go mainstream. </p>
<p>But would you really like Kutcher to be on Friendfeed?</p>
<p>P.S. Should I just comment here or should I copy/paste to Friendfeed?</p>
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		<title>By: Allen Stern</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allen Stern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 03:35:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guru - I still think if the conversation was aggregated back to the source that might help but like you say it might complicate things initially as well.

I also agree that it feels like we have taken one step forwards and three steps back...but over time I am sure we will get there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guru &#8211; I still think if the conversation was aggregated back to the source that might help but like you say it might complicate things initially as well.</p>
<p>I also agree that it feels like we have taken one step forwards and three steps back&#8230;but over time I am sure we will get there.</p>
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		<title>By: guruvan (Rob Nelson)</title>
		<link>http://www.centernetworks.com/real-time-twitter-friendfeed-facebook/comment-page-1#comment-26707</link>
		<dc:creator>guruvan (Rob Nelson)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 03:18:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Allen - This is my biggest problem with the state of things now. The disconnected/disjointed conversation that&#039;s going on. Disqus and similar systems only partially solve the problem, and in another sense really exacerbate it. 

I do think that some of the commenting services are working hard to solve this problem, but its a tough one to solve. 

Not only do we need to integrate the blog with twitter, and aggregate all the comments on FriendFeed, but the comments you might get on it in Facebook are just left in isolation. 

And the real losers in this process: The non-early adopters - The non-power-users. People who don&#039;t understnad the way the data flow is working, and thus don&#039;t see the flow of the disjointed discussion. They&#039;re not just confused, but they&#039; wind up confusing other participants in the discussion because they aren&#039;t up to speed with the few of us who are.

The other losers in the process are the people who depend on and need the discssion, blogwriters like yourself.

Back to the plugin boards to see about more solutions!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Allen &#8211; This is my biggest problem with the state of things now. The disconnected/disjointed conversation that&#8217;s going on. Disqus and similar systems only partially solve the problem, and in another sense really exacerbate it. </p>
<p>I do think that some of the commenting services are working hard to solve this problem, but its a tough one to solve. </p>
<p>Not only do we need to integrate the blog with twitter, and aggregate all the comments on FriendFeed, but the comments you might get on it in Facebook are just left in isolation. </p>
<p>And the real losers in this process: The non-early adopters &#8211; The non-power-users. People who don&#8217;t understnad the way the data flow is working, and thus don&#8217;t see the flow of the disjointed discussion. They&#8217;re not just confused, but they&#8217; wind up confusing other participants in the discussion because they aren&#8217;t up to speed with the few of us who are.</p>
<p>The other losers in the process are the people who depend on and need the discssion, blogwriters like yourself.</p>
<p>Back to the plugin boards to see about more solutions!</p>
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		<title>By: Maggie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maggie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 01:56:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good points Allen - I don&#039;t use friendfeed much but I setup an account once - I like Facebook best - mainly because my friends use it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good points Allen &#8211; I don&#8217;t use friendfeed much but I setup an account once &#8211; I like Facebook best &#8211; mainly because my friends use it.</p>
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