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		<title>By: Ronna Porter</title>
		<link>http://www.centernetworks.com/social-network-to-publicity-network/comment-page-#comment-13221</link>
		<dc:creator>Ronna Porter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As with any limited resource, we all make choices how to make best use of our time.  With something like Twitter, Robert and many others have shown that there are ways to get the most out of the technology to converse with and/or publicise to a micro-blogging-friendly audience.  We all make choices about which conversations to follow by sharing our pet interests (may be a type of publicity), subject relevance, author credibility, historical interest, serendipity (something unexpected that strikes a chord with us), and the &#039;quickly scanned but pretty much ignored category&#039;.  I&#039;d be interested to know what sort of time proportions these would work out at for someone like Robert.

The reason they are not &quot;the new press release&quot; is that this is too simplistic - not everyone is a geek, yet anyway.  It assumes Twitter offers a well-targetted audience for your publicity (be it customers, influencers, bloggers, media), and that this format is the best one for communicating the publicity message (other than &quot;look at my publicity message here&quot; where the above factors all apply, except that you loose a significant proportion by asking for a click).  I don&#039;t beleive this is the case.  Certainly at this point, its worth some experimentation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As with any limited resource, we all make choices how to make best use of our time.  With something like Twitter, Robert and many others have shown that there are ways to get the most out of the technology to converse with and/or publicise to a micro-blogging-friendly audience.  We all make choices about which conversations to follow by sharing our pet interests (may be a type of publicity), subject relevance, author credibility, historical interest, serendipity (something unexpected that strikes a chord with us), and the &#8216;quickly scanned but pretty much ignored category&#8217;.  I&#8217;d be interested to know what sort of time proportions these would work out at for someone like Robert.</p>
<p>The reason they are not &#8220;the new press release&#8221; is that this is too simplistic &#8211; not everyone is a geek, yet anyway.  It assumes Twitter offers a well-targetted audience for your publicity (be it customers, influencers, bloggers, media), and that this format is the best one for communicating the publicity message (other than &#8220;look at my publicity message here&#8221; where the above factors all apply, except that you loose a significant proportion by asking for a click).  I don&#8217;t beleive this is the case.  Certainly at this point, its worth some experimentation.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Stacy</title>
		<link>http://www.centernetworks.com/social-network-to-publicity-network/comment-page-1#comment-13240</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Stacy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are right.  Tweets will become the new press releases and the Twittersphere will become the &quot;heads-up&quot; news arena.  Have posted as such recently.  http://tinyurl.com/3yvw3b</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are right.  Tweets will become the new press releases and the Twittersphere will become the &#8220;heads-up&#8221; news arena.  Have posted as such recently.  <a href="http://tinyurl.com/3yvw3b" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/3yvw3b</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mitch</title>
		<link>http://www.centernetworks.com/social-network-to-publicity-network/comment-page-1#comment-13261</link>
		<dc:creator>Mitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been blogging this week on the same thread, although my argument is not with does someone have time.. it is more a matter of trust. Real Social networks, the kind that yield social power, lead to change, and are what we all wish to tap into are built on trust.. give and take.. a true relationship.. something that I have yet to see be created and maintained only using tools like facebook and twitter.  Most of the time, our trusting friends have  had a moment to get to know us.. face to face.. You will find links and more discussion on this at my blog site:

http://lead2020.blogspot.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been blogging this week on the same thread, although my argument is not with does someone have time.. it is more a matter of trust. Real Social networks, the kind that yield social power, lead to change, and are what we all wish to tap into are built on trust.. give and take.. a true relationship.. something that I have yet to see be created and maintained only using tools like facebook and twitter.  Most of the time, our trusting friends have  had a moment to get to know us.. face to face.. You will find links and more discussion on this at my blog site:</p>
<p><a href="http://lead2020.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://lead2020.blogspot.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Eric Eggertson</title>
		<link>http://www.centernetworks.com/social-network-to-publicity-network/comment-page-#comment-13262</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Eggertson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I certainly don&#039;t mind folks posting the link to their latest posting, or whatever.  If it sounds interesting, I&#039;m likely to click on the link, rather than wait for the next time I try to plow through 500 headings in my feed reader.

The nice thing about Twitter, you can always unsubscribe if someone is too self-promotional, without providing any entertainment, insight, usefulness, companionship, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I certainly don&#8217;t mind folks posting the link to their latest posting, or whatever.  If it sounds interesting, I&#8217;m likely to click on the link, rather than wait for the next time I try to plow through 500 headings in my feed reader.</p>
<p>The nice thing about Twitter, you can always unsubscribe if someone is too self-promotional, without providing any entertainment, insight, usefulness, companionship, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Brogan...</title>
		<link>http://www.centernetworks.com/social-network-to-publicity-network/comment-page-#comment-13376</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Brogan...</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Twitter (and similar networks) allow us a blend of both. I use Twitter to point attention at things I find interesting, including my own posts, and I use it to communicate with others. I use it for brief actions of attention-focusing, like asking a bunch of friends to check out a new post by someone I find interesting, and I use it for communication. 

I don&#039;t think it&#039;s either/or, and further, because it&#039;s opt-in, you can cull the folks you find less interesting or too pitchy. Right? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Twitter (and similar networks) allow us a blend of both. I use Twitter to point attention at things I find interesting, including my own posts, and I use it to communicate with others. I use it for brief actions of attention-focusing, like asking a bunch of friends to check out a new post by someone I find interesting, and I use it for communication. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s either/or, and further, because it&#8217;s opt-in, you can cull the folks you find less interesting or too pitchy. Right?</p>
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		<title>By: bg</title>
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		<dc:creator>bg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It’s all publicity. Whether you&#039;re Perez Hilton or a MyFace loser trying to get anyone to watch their band&#039;s AWESOME VIDEO!!!!!

Doesn&#039;t matter what the new social media toy of the moment is, it&#039;ll be taken over soon enough by someone like Coke or Pepsi trying to sell something to the rest of the users. How many brands have their own MySpace and YouTube pages?

As for what I see on Twitter, seems like everyone posts links to things they think are interesting for the most part. Not sure there&#039;s only one way to use it. At least you can decide to follow who you want and not be hit up with requests to “Check out my friend&#039;s band!” 

Scobel already had enough of a following, so naturally they would migrate to Twitter. It&#039;s not like the guy&#039;s begging everyone to add him. It&#039;s courtesy for the most part, but he doesn&#039;t have to do it. 

Jumping on Scobel though for PR tactics? Consider Seth Godin. Follows nobody, people follow him. Every tweet has a link to something--which links back first through his website so he gets the traffic. No updates about daily life as you might see from pretty much everyone else on Twitter, who for the most part, do rspond to others and engage in conversation.

TO each his own though. Lots of uses, like I said.

Besides, as a tech guy, I would expect Twitter to be the kind of space he&#039;d live in and tell readers about. There are a whole bunch of agencies and consultants talking about social media sites that don&#039;t even know how to spell Twitter, let alone use it. I find out about what&#039;s new from either friends or a Scobel, Kawasaki. As long as people find out, doesn&#039;t matter who they heard it from.

What about political candidates like a Barak Obama though? At last count, 5,013 following him. Certainly, their intentions are less genuine when trying to be wherever potential voters are in MySpace, Twitter, etc.

By the way, how was the traffic on this post after Scobel mentioned it on Twitter? Good, bad?

;-p</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It’s all publicity. Whether you&#8217;re Perez Hilton or a MyFace loser trying to get anyone to watch their band&#8217;s AWESOME VIDEO!!!!!</p>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t matter what the new social media toy of the moment is, it&#8217;ll be taken over soon enough by someone like Coke or Pepsi trying to sell something to the rest of the users. How many brands have their own MySpace and YouTube pages?</p>
<p>As for what I see on Twitter, seems like everyone posts links to things they think are interesting for the most part. Not sure there&#8217;s only one way to use it. At least you can decide to follow who you want and not be hit up with requests to “Check out my friend&#8217;s band!” </p>
<p>Scobel already had enough of a following, so naturally they would migrate to Twitter. It&#8217;s not like the guy&#8217;s begging everyone to add him. It&#8217;s courtesy for the most part, but he doesn&#8217;t have to do it. </p>
<p>Jumping on Scobel though for PR tactics? Consider Seth Godin. Follows nobody, people follow him. Every tweet has a link to something&#8211;which links back first through his website so he gets the traffic. No updates about daily life as you might see from pretty much everyone else on Twitter, who for the most part, do rspond to others and engage in conversation.</p>
<p>TO each his own though. Lots of uses, like I said.</p>
<p>Besides, as a tech guy, I would expect Twitter to be the kind of space he&#8217;d live in and tell readers about. There are a whole bunch of agencies and consultants talking about social media sites that don&#8217;t even know how to spell Twitter, let alone use it. I find out about what&#8217;s new from either friends or a Scobel, Kawasaki. As long as people find out, doesn&#8217;t matter who they heard it from.</p>
<p>What about political candidates like a Barak Obama though? At last count, 5,013 following him. Certainly, their intentions are less genuine when trying to be wherever potential voters are in MySpace, Twitter, etc.</p>
<p>By the way, how was the traffic on this post after Scobel mentioned it on Twitter? Good, bad?</p>
<p>;-p</p>
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		<title>By: bg</title>
		<link>http://www.centernetworks.com/social-network-to-publicity-network/comment-page-1#comment-13422</link>
		<dc:creator>bg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(Sorry, WAY too many typos above but I should at least correct this one: Scoble.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Sorry, WAY too many typos above but I should at least correct this one: Scoble.)</p>
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		<title>By: Lilyhill</title>
		<link>http://www.centernetworks.com/social-network-to-publicity-network/comment-page-1#comment-13467</link>
		<dc:creator>Lilyhill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I made this point in a post regarding a statement made by Winer (ironically, debating Scoble) that people with a lot of &quot;friends&quot; may be more trustworthy than those with a few. As I said there, that number is an &quot;audience&quot;, not &quot;friends&quot;. I love ya, Robert, but I&#039;m one of your Facebook friends - and if you&#039;ve ever read a single post or visited my page, I&#039;d be extremely surprised. I certainly would never expect you to  contact me when you&#039;re in my area - but I would, if you were a friend. I would never expect to be invited to your house when I&#039;m in your area, either. And that, to me, makes all the difference. It&#039;s not a matter of being &quot;in&quot; or not, or liked or not, it&#039;s simply a matter of time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I made this point in a post regarding a statement made by Winer (ironically, debating Scoble) that people with a lot of &#8220;friends&#8221; may be more trustworthy than those with a few. As I said there, that number is an &#8220;audience&#8221;, not &#8220;friends&#8221;. I love ya, Robert, but I&#8217;m one of your Facebook friends &#8211; and if you&#8217;ve ever read a single post or visited my page, I&#8217;d be extremely surprised. I certainly would never expect you to  contact me when you&#8217;re in my area &#8211; but I would, if you were a friend. I would never expect to be invited to your house when I&#8217;m in your area, either. And that, to me, makes all the difference. It&#8217;s not a matter of being &#8220;in&#8221; or not, or liked or not, it&#8217;s simply a matter of time.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Solis</title>
		<link>http://www.centernetworks.com/social-network-to-publicity-network/comment-page-1#comment-13499</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Solis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Allen, I wrote about this over the summer when Robert asked if Facebook was the new press release, http://www.briansolis.com/2007/07/robert-scoble-asks-is-facebook-new.html

Twitter, Facebook, and other social networks are a new forum to share information, but it&#039;s such a fine line between a pitch, spam, and news.

While I don&#039;t think social networks are the new press release, I do believe that they are &quot;new wire services&quot; however a la BusinessWire and PRNewswire - just to different groups of people. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Allen, I wrote about this over the summer when Robert asked if Facebook was the new press release, <a href="http://www.briansolis.com/2007/07/robert-scoble-asks-is-facebook-new.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.briansolis.com/2007/07/robert-scoble-asks-is-facebook-new.html</a></p>
<p>Twitter, Facebook, and other social networks are a new forum to share information, but it&#8217;s such a fine line between a pitch, spam, and news.</p>
<p>While I don&#8217;t think social networks are the new press release, I do believe that they are &#8220;new wire services&#8221; however a la BusinessWire and PRNewswire &#8211; just to different groups of people.</p>
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		<title>By: russ @ bombay potatoes</title>
		<link>http://www.centernetworks.com/social-network-to-publicity-network/comment-page-1#comment-13633</link>
		<dc:creator>russ @ bombay potatoes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can&#039;t we please come up with a term that means what it says. There&#039;s nothing &quot;social&quot; about having 6,000+ &quot;friends&quot;. It would be like a pop star calling his fans &quot;friends&quot; when clearly they are not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#8217;t we please come up with a term that means what it says. There&#8217;s nothing &#8220;social&#8221; about having 6,000+ &#8220;friends&#8221;. It would be like a pop star calling his fans &#8220;friends&#8221; when clearly they are not.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Scoble</title>
		<link>http://www.centernetworks.com/social-network-to-publicity-network/comment-page-#comment-13793</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Scoble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I use Twitterrific. It&#039;s like a chat room to me. Brings me 12 new posts every minute or so. It is VERY possible to keep up with this kind of flow.

And I NEVER miss someone who uses &quot;@scobleizer&quot; in a message because Twitter puts those on my &quot;replies&quot; page which I check every day.

And using the new &quot;Track&quot; feature I can make sure I see everything on a single topic. Like, I can see every message that has &quot;Microsoft&quot; in it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I use Twitterrific. It&#8217;s like a chat room to me. Brings me 12 new posts every minute or so. It is VERY possible to keep up with this kind of flow.</p>
<p>And I NEVER miss someone who uses &#8220;@scobleizer&#8221; in a message because Twitter puts those on my &#8220;replies&#8221; page which I check every day.</p>
<p>And using the new &#8220;Track&#8221; feature I can make sure I see everything on a single topic. Like, I can see every message that has &#8220;Microsoft&#8221; in it.</p>
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		<title>By: centernetworks</title>
		<link>http://www.centernetworks.com/social-network-to-publicity-network/comment-page-#comment-13794</link>
		<dc:creator>centernetworks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;
Thanks for the explanation Robert - I will check out Twitterific - hope they make a pc client! Sounds like you have Twitter down. I guess my simple going to twitter.com isn&#039;t the power user way :)
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Thanks for the explanation Robert &#8211; I will check out Twitterific &#8211; hope they make a pc client! Sounds like you have Twitter down. I guess my simple going to twitter.com isn&#8217;t the power user way :)</p>
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		<title>By: Thom Singer</title>
		<link>http://www.centernetworks.com/social-network-to-publicity-network/comment-page-#comment-13874</link>
		<dc:creator>Thom Singer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Twitter works great for a &quot;celebrity&quot; like Scoble who has a platform.  He has thousands who follow him and he uses the forum to share ideas.  He also reads the random stuff that goes by (not just stuff that talks about him) because he has responded to me about topics.

I tend to post rarely, since I am not a &quot;celeb&quot; I do not want to over twitter those who do follow me.  I used it to PR other projects or just to share random stuff.  But unlike a press release, key people who have chosen to follow me do read the stuff I post, therefore it can have an impact.

The small format also makes people write in a focused manner, which is not common in a press release.

Twitter does not have mass appeal outside of those who are very active in other social media (most folks do not regularly utilize it), thus it still has limited use in the form of getting info out, so I dispute the press release idea.  It is just a new format that is hot right now (think Blogs three years ago).  Time will prove out how valuable Twitter will be and how it will be used.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Twitter works great for a &#8220;celebrity&#8221; like Scoble who has a platform.  He has thousands who follow him and he uses the forum to share ideas.  He also reads the random stuff that goes by (not just stuff that talks about him) because he has responded to me about topics.</p>
<p>I tend to post rarely, since I am not a &#8220;celeb&#8221; I do not want to over twitter those who do follow me.  I used it to PR other projects or just to share random stuff.  But unlike a press release, key people who have chosen to follow me do read the stuff I post, therefore it can have an impact.</p>
<p>The small format also makes people write in a focused manner, which is not common in a press release.</p>
<p>Twitter does not have mass appeal outside of those who are very active in other social media (most folks do not regularly utilize it), thus it still has limited use in the form of getting info out, so I dispute the press release idea.  It is just a new format that is hot right now (think Blogs three years ago).  Time will prove out how valuable Twitter will be and how it will be used.</p>
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		<title>By: sanmat</title>
		<link>http://www.centernetworks.com/social-network-to-publicity-network/comment-page-1#comment-13895</link>
		<dc:creator>sanmat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This should be another trend. Nothing more i could see in a longer term, until unless its brought out by some big web giants.

http://blogkatt.blogspot.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This should be another trend. Nothing more i could see in a longer term, until unless its brought out by some big web giants.</p>
<p><a href="http://blogkatt.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://blogkatt.blogspot.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Maria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your post. You bring up a very good point -- something I&#039;ve been thinking about abstractly for a while.

I&#039;ve definitely seen a trend among social networking users to engage in a lot of shameless self-promotion. It&#039;s gotten to the point where I&#039;ve turned off the tweets of many Twitter users.

While I&#039;m not saying that those of us with something to promote should &lt;em&gt;not&lt;/em&gt; promote these things, I don&#039;t think tweets or other social networking activities should be based solely around self-promotion. After all, promotional content is the same as advertising, isn&#039;t it? Why would I want to tune into someone&#039;s tweets if all I could expect was a constant stream of advertisements?

The only social networking site I participate in is Twitter and I participate for its &lt;em&gt;social&lt;/em&gt; aspects -- not its marketing capabilities. I&#039;ve made real friends on Twitter. I&#039;ve also been notified of interesting content elsewhere on the Web by Twitter users. But of the 50+ people I follow on Twitter, not a single one of them posts more self-promotional content than other content.

Fortunately, Twitter and Twitter tools such as Twitterific make it easy to filter out the self-promoters and keep things social.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your post. You bring up a very good point &#8212; something I&#8217;ve been thinking about abstractly for a while.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve definitely seen a trend among social networking users to engage in a lot of shameless self-promotion. It&#8217;s gotten to the point where I&#8217;ve turned off the tweets of many Twitter users.</p>
<p>While I&#8217;m not saying that those of us with something to promote should <em>not</em> promote these things, I don&#8217;t think tweets or other social networking activities should be based solely around self-promotion. After all, promotional content is the same as advertising, isn&#8217;t it? Why would I want to tune into someone&#8217;s tweets if all I could expect was a constant stream of advertisements?</p>
<p>The only social networking site I participate in is Twitter and I participate for its <em>social</em> aspects &#8212; not its marketing capabilities. I&#8217;ve made real friends on Twitter. I&#8217;ve also been notified of interesting content elsewhere on the Web by Twitter users. But of the 50+ people I follow on Twitter, not a single one of them posts more self-promotional content than other content.</p>
<p>Fortunately, Twitter and Twitter tools such as Twitterific make it easy to filter out the self-promoters and keep things social.</p>
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