Comments on: Who Hasn’t Stolen The Conversation and Why The Money Is In the Conversation http://www.centernetworks.com/the-conversation-monetization Web 2 and Social Media News and Reviews Sat, 21 Nov 2009 01:50:56 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Louis Gray http://www.centernetworks.com/the-conversation-monetization/comment-page-#comment-17824 Louis Gray Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-17824 One of the major points I was trying to drive home is that we, as bloggers, need to accept the fact that there are parallel conversations going on constantly. Rather than stick to the old metrics of page views, unique visitors, and total comments, we should instead engage and move to these new sites - FriendFeed, Shyftr, Plaxo, LinkRiver, AssetBar, RSSMeme, ReadBurner, Mergelab, Social|Media, BlogRize... you name it. They are becoming increasingly important in how I acquire, aggregate, share and participate with new data, peers and conversations. If we do as you say above, and force the conversation to start at A, and migrate outward to B,C, and D, all you will do is push out a very small number of comments. We need to be open to B, C and D pointing back to A, and know that's where we're headed. One of the major points I was trying to drive home is that we, as bloggers, need to accept the fact that there are parallel conversations going on constantly. Rather than stick to the old metrics of page views, unique visitors, and total comments, we should instead engage and move to these new sites – FriendFeed, Shyftr, Plaxo, LinkRiver, AssetBar, RSSMeme, ReadBurner, Mergelab, Social|Media, BlogRize… you name it. They are becoming increasingly important in how I acquire, aggregate, share and participate with new data, peers and conversations.

If we do as you say above, and force the conversation to start at A, and migrate outward to B,C, and D, all you will do is push out a very small number of comments. We need to be open to B, C and D pointing back to A, and know that’s where we’re headed.

]]> By: JeremyB http://www.centernetworks.com/the-conversation-monetization/comment-page-#comment-18147 JeremyB Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-18147 Hope you're well, Allan. Let's assume for the moment that the genie is out of the bottle, and your dream of a world where the conversation takes place exclusively on the site of the original content creator is dead. Would even want a service like the one being described in the comments above, where all the comments on your content from around the Web get fed into your site's comments? I'm not so sure. In today's reality, one of the things that sets the original content creators' (OCC) sites apart is that the people leaving comments tend to be more respectful, more thoughtful, and more knowledgeable about the issues at hand than the universe of people leaving comments at the sites you describe. It's part of what allows the OCC to deliver more signal than noise. Of course you're right about why virtually all aggregators are enabling comments: comments make a site stickier, and stickier sites make more money. Period. As for <a href="http://www.brijit.com">Brijit</a>, we think the fact that we're creating our own professional, original content sets us above this particular fray. Best, Jeremy Brosowsky founder, Brijit Hope you’re well, Allan.

Let’s assume for the moment that the genie is out of the bottle, and your dream of a world where the conversation takes place exclusively on the site of the original content creator is dead. Would even want a service like the one being described in the comments above, where all the comments on your content from around the Web get fed into your site’s comments? I’m not so sure.

In today’s reality, one of the things that sets the original content creators’ (OCC) sites apart is that the people leaving comments tend to be more respectful, more thoughtful, and more knowledgeable about the issues at hand than the universe of people leaving comments at the sites you describe. It’s part of what allows the OCC to deliver more signal than noise.

Of course you’re right about why virtually all aggregators are enabling comments: comments make a site stickier, and stickier sites make more money. Period.

As for Brijit, we think the fact that we’re creating our own professional, original content sets us above this particular fray.

Best,
Jeremy Brosowsky
founder, Brijit

]]> By: Jodi Church-Wagner http://www.centernetworks.com/the-conversation-monetization/comment-page-#comment-18531 Jodi Church-Wagner Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-18531 obviously, as a social bookmarking site, we offer a place for our users to collect, share, and comment on their favorite sites. the commenting is new, so i am looking forward to see where it will go. i don't think this is such a bad thing. i get what you mean though. i don't see how it would be possible for most sites. at least with social bookmarking, anyway. someone might save a link for pepsi and others might comment, but where should these comments return to? that people are having conversations like they are is already quite a big step. things will evolve in time. obviously, as a social bookmarking site, we offer a place for our users to collect, share, and comment on their favorite sites. the commenting is new, so i am looking forward to see where it will go. i don’t think this is such a bad thing. i get what you mean though. i don’t see how it would be possible for most sites. at least with social bookmarking, anyway. someone might save a link for pepsi and others might comment, but where should these comments return to? that people are having conversations like they are is already quite a big step. things will evolve in time.

]]> By: Darren http://www.centernetworks.com/the-conversation-monetization/comment-page-#comment-18532 Darren Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-18532 I think there is room for a service that grabs all that conversation and pulls it back to the source. Fairly easy to do I reacon. I think there is room for a service that grabs all that conversation and pulls it back to the source. Fairly easy to do I reacon.

]]> By: Lisa Thompson http://www.centernetworks.com/the-conversation-monetization/comment-page-#comment-18535 Lisa Thompson Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-18535 I hadn't been following this issue - very enlightening. Will watch how I post. Content should be credited. Bottom line. I hadn’t been following this issue – very enlightening. Will watch how I post. Content should be credited. Bottom line.

]]> By: shytalk http://www.centernetworks.com/the-conversation-monetization/comment-page-#comment-18536 shytalk Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-18536 and the twitter conversation brought me to the source. Digg,reddit and the others drive traffic to your site, who doesn't want a story on the front page of Digg? and surely that is the point, it doesn't really matter where the conversation takes place as long as it drives readers to your content. except for Shyftr which actually steal your content and doesn't give you any page views which is wrong. and the twitter conversation brought me to the source.
Digg,reddit and the others drive traffic to your site,
who doesn’t want a story on the front page of Digg?
and surely that is the point, it doesn’t really matter
where the conversation takes place as long as it drives
readers to your content.
except for Shyftr which actually steal your content and
doesn’t give you any page views which is wrong.

]]> By: Steven Hodson http://www.centernetworks.com/the-conversation-monetization/comment-page-#comment-18593 Steven Hodson Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-18593 as for the point about comments being returned to the post of origin I know that Disqus is working hard with FriendFeed to make this happen. as for the point about comments being returned to the post of origin I know that Disqus is working hard with FriendFeed to make this happen.

]]> By: Mark Evans http://www.centernetworks.com/the-conversation-monetization/comment-page-#comment-18632 Mark Evans Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-18632 Allen, I'm sure there's a startup somewhere coming up with a platform/service that will aggregate comments from a variety of sources - just wait patiently for it! Mark Allen,

I’m sure there’s a startup somewhere coming up with a platform/service that will aggregate comments from a variety of sources – just wait patiently for it!

Mark

]]> By: Dan... http://www.centernetworks.com/the-conversation-monetization/comment-page-#comment-18633 Dan... Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-18633 there is a tech solution for this...vacuuming disparate conversations back to the source...query whether any aggregator will try objecting to such a service. Disqus is a natural for this... there is a tech solution for this…vacuuming disparate conversations back to the source…query whether any aggregator will try objecting to such a service. Disqus is a natural for this…

]]> By: centernetworks http://www.centernetworks.com/the-conversation-monetization/comment-page-#comment-18634 centernetworks Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-18634 thats not what i want - i want the conversation to take place on the source and then it can be exported outside -- not the other way around. thats not what i want – i want the conversation to take place on the source and then it can be exported outside — not the other way around.

]]> By: Darren http://www.centernetworks.com/the-conversation-monetization/comment-page-#comment-18639 Darren Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-18639 That is never going to happen unless there is some sort of open format for comments. Plus how would digg know if the site posted has comments or evening have a place for comments. lets face it these guys want the discussion and its a community thing. Its no different to how forums have worked for years. Someone posts a story in a forum and the forum users discuss it. That is never going to happen unless there is some sort of open format for comments. Plus how would digg know if the site posted has comments or evening have a place for comments.

lets face it these guys want the discussion and its a community thing. Its no different to how forums have worked for years. Someone posts a story in a forum and the forum users discuss it.

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