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	<title>Comments on: Wikia Search Goes Live &#8211; It&#8217;s Not Ready Yet</title>
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		<title>By: QS</title>
		<link>http://www.centernetworks.com/wikia-search-goes-live/comment-page-#comment-14693</link>
		<dc:creator>QS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well done Jimmy - you have come along way and developed a product that has a lot of potential. However, you are obviously in the same space as Google - who pretty much get things right - or at least returns search results that &#039;feel right&#039; - on almost every search. Therefore competition will be tough.

Launching a product before &#039;it is perfect&#039; is indeed the best approach, you&#039;ll get the valuable public feedback and comments which can be implemented sooner than later.

&quot;Instead of reloading the page to see the next batch of results, the page just expands on the click to show the next batch&quot; - a nice feature, but i do believe both Microsoft and Amazon&#039;s A9 search services had this feature 12 months ago. Glad to see you&#039;re using it too.

Good luck, you will need it (and a lot of patience).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well done Jimmy &#8211; you have come along way and developed a product that has a lot of potential. However, you are obviously in the same space as Google &#8211; who pretty much get things right &#8211; or at least returns search results that &#8216;feel right&#8217; &#8211; on almost every search. Therefore competition will be tough.</p>
<p>Launching a product before &#8216;it is perfect&#8217; is indeed the best approach, you&#8217;ll get the valuable public feedback and comments which can be implemented sooner than later.</p>
<p>&#8220;Instead of reloading the page to see the next batch of results, the page just expands on the click to show the next batch&#8221; &#8211; a nice feature, but i do believe both Microsoft and Amazon&#8217;s A9 search services had this feature 12 months ago. Glad to see you&#8217;re using it too.</p>
<p>Good luck, you will need it (and a lot of patience).</p>
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		<title>By: gregory</title>
		<link>http://www.centernetworks.com/wikia-search-goes-live/comment-page-#comment-15405</link>
		<dc:creator>gregory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>google is getting way too commercial... just bypass the first page is what i usually do...

open source, lots of cross-pollination.... everybody talking to everybody, hive mind search.... just might be the search engine of choice in the near future

enjoy

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>google is getting way too commercial&#8230; just bypass the first page is what i usually do&#8230;</p>
<p>open source, lots of cross-pollination&#8230;. everybody talking to everybody, hive mind search&#8230;. just might be the search engine of choice in the near future</p>
<p>enjoy</p>
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		<title>By: Miguel Carrasco</title>
		<link>http://www.centernetworks.com/wikia-search-goes-live/comment-page-#comment-15567</link>
		<dc:creator>Miguel Carrasco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I couldn&#039;t agree more with your comments.  As a VP of technology for a small company, I play a lot of roles, and I laughed when I read your comments about noise dying, and your team continuing to build the product.  I can’t even count how many times in the real world, expectations are raised because of a huge home run project (that nobody remembers how much work it was to build, because all eyes weren’t on), and people shocked when the first version of the next project is so bad.  I empathize with you completely, because what made the last product so good was the approach of sending the software out for the world to use.  

So what do you do when all eyes are on you now?  Change the approach and test the software like mad?  Certain things you just can’t test for, you need the product out there!  I have on occasion caved and not released because I knew people would complain, but in reality, I should have just released!

I truly respect you for the approach you took on this, even when all eyes were on you.  You are 100% correct, a few months/years from now, your new venture will be all over the media and magazines, and nobody will remember the amount of work it took to get you there.  So to that end, Fantastic release!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#8217;t agree more with your comments.  As a VP of technology for a small company, I play a lot of roles, and I laughed when I read your comments about noise dying, and your team continuing to build the product.  I can’t even count how many times in the real world, expectations are raised because of a huge home run project (that nobody remembers how much work it was to build, because all eyes weren’t on), and people shocked when the first version of the next project is so bad.  I empathize with you completely, because what made the last product so good was the approach of sending the software out for the world to use.  </p>
<p>So what do you do when all eyes are on you now?  Change the approach and test the software like mad?  Certain things you just can’t test for, you need the product out there!  I have on occasion caved and not released because I knew people would complain, but in reality, I should have just released!</p>
<p>I truly respect you for the approach you took on this, even when all eyes were on you.  You are 100% correct, a few months/years from now, your new venture will be all over the media and magazines, and nobody will remember the amount of work it took to get you there.  So to that end, Fantastic release!</p>
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		<title>By: Jimmy Wales</title>
		<link>http://www.centernetworks.com/wikia-search-goes-live/comment-page-#comment-15582</link>
		<dc:creator>Jimmy Wales</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I would have liked it to be a bit more polished before hitting the public eye.&quot;  Yes, us too, in a way, but that really isn&#039;t the world we come from.  &quot;Release early, release often&quot; is my philosophy.

Here&#039;s something I have been telling people for a year: when I launched Wikipedia, it was empty.  Not much of an encyclopedia.  And in fact, my first attempt to build a freely licensed encyclopedia (Nupedia) failed completely.  But one of the things Nupedia did for us as a community was give us a couple of years to talk about how to do what we wanted to do.

So, I am just following the same process here.  Open source.  This is how you do it.  (Ever try a pre-1.0 Linux kernel?  Awful!)

The difference is, of course, now everyone watches with great expectations everything I do.  :)

Well, in a couple of weeks the noise will die down, and then we can just keep our noses to the ground trying to build this thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I would have liked it to be a bit more polished before hitting the public eye.&#8221;  Yes, us too, in a way, but that really isn&#8217;t the world we come from.  &#8220;Release early, release often&#8221; is my philosophy.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s something I have been telling people for a year: when I launched Wikipedia, it was empty.  Not much of an encyclopedia.  And in fact, my first attempt to build a freely licensed encyclopedia (Nupedia) failed completely.  But one of the things Nupedia did for us as a community was give us a couple of years to talk about how to do what we wanted to do.</p>
<p>So, I am just following the same process here.  Open source.  This is how you do it.  (Ever try a pre-1.0 Linux kernel?  Awful!)</p>
<p>The difference is, of course, now everyone watches with great expectations everything I do.  :)</p>
<p>Well, in a couple of weeks the noise will die down, and then we can just keep our noses to the ground trying to build this thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Antje Wilsch</title>
		<link>http://www.centernetworks.com/wikia-search-goes-live/comment-page-#comment-15928</link>
		<dc:creator>Antje Wilsch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Jimmy Wales does care - he responded to several people with rather self deprecating remarks. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Jimmy Wales does care &#8211; he responded to several people with rather self deprecating remarks.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Yates</title>
		<link>http://www.centernetworks.com/wikia-search-goes-live/comment-page-#comment-15973</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Yates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow -- do people actually believe that stuff?  You&#039;ll need strong AI for any of it to be possible, and if that happens the upheavals will be much bigger than any of things you&#039;re talking about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow &#8212; do people actually believe that stuff?  You&#8217;ll need strong AI for any of it to be possible, and if that happens the upheavals will be much bigger than any of things you&#8217;re talking about.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin A. Burton</title>
		<link>http://www.centernetworks.com/wikia-search-goes-live/comment-page-#comment-15975</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin A. Burton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yeah. I have to say it didn&#039;t wow me either.

I posted my thoughts here:

http://feedblog.org/2008/01/06/on-wikia/

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah. I have to say it didn&#8217;t wow me either.</p>
<p>I posted my thoughts here:</p>
<p><a href="http://feedblog.org/2008/01/06/on-wikia/" rel="nofollow">http://feedblog.org/2008/01/06/on-wikia/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is coming from my own agenda, so it may seem OT.

We are still in a kind of &quot;candy era&quot; era of the web. The success-stories of the past 15 years have mainly been about creating virtual libaries (Amazon book search, blogs, digg), galleries (flickr), phone books (myspace, facebook), media stores (napster, audiogalaxy, piratebay), trading posts (ebay, craigslist). All that stuff is pretty cool but...

The &quot;semantic web&quot; has more potential to change the world. Once we have widely adopted standards for &quot;a system of meaning&quot; we will really start seeing changes. In other words, once there is a way to compare the meaning of documents we will be able to do things like: 

- have 1000+ year conversations that NEVER rehash old opinions (pretty much impossible now, since you can&#039;t exactly review the past 1000 years of a discussion thread)
- be able to find answers for your questions... and restrict results to match a belief set (eg: ask a question on stem cells and specify that you want to exclude &quot;christian science&quot; in the results) 
- limit duplication of effort when you post your research (even if your research is something as &quot;trivial&quot; as Britney Spears&#039; fashion sense) by searching for articles that have the same &quot;meaning&quot; as your own

It seems to me that Jimmy Wale&#039;s search effort is better suited to this kind of web, since it allows for public search algorithms. I have high hopes for the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is coming from my own agenda, so it may seem OT.</p>
<p>We are still in a kind of &#8220;candy era&#8221; era of the web. The success-stories of the past 15 years have mainly been about creating virtual libaries (Amazon book search, blogs, digg), galleries (flickr), phone books (myspace, facebook), media stores (napster, audiogalaxy, piratebay), trading posts (ebay, craigslist). All that stuff is pretty cool but&#8230;</p>
<p>The &#8220;semantic web&#8221; has more potential to change the world. Once we have widely adopted standards for &#8220;a system of meaning&#8221; we will really start seeing changes. In other words, once there is a way to compare the meaning of documents we will be able to do things like: </p>
<p>- have 1000+ year conversations that NEVER rehash old opinions (pretty much impossible now, since you can&#8217;t exactly review the past 1000 years of a discussion thread)<br />
- be able to find answers for your questions&#8230; and restrict results to match a belief set (eg: ask a question on stem cells and specify that you want to exclude &#8220;christian science&#8221; in the results)<br />
- limit duplication of effort when you post your research (even if your research is something as &#8220;trivial&#8221; as Britney Spears&#8217; fashion sense) by searching for articles that have the same &#8220;meaning&#8221; as your own</p>
<p>It seems to me that Jimmy Wale&#8217;s search effort is better suited to this kind of web, since it allows for public search algorithms. I have high hopes for the future.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Jusko</title>
		<link>http://www.centernetworks.com/wikia-search-goes-live/comment-page-#comment-16011</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Jusko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here and at TechCrunch Wales has made the case that he acknowledged Search Wikia would be bad at launch. However, his past grandiose statements about fixing search, coupled with his outsize Wikipedia reputation, guaranteed the response that the project is getting today. Unlike Wikipedia, this one&#039;s not starting in the dark, and many people are going to go on first impressions exactly because of the hype and because of Wales&#039; reputation. 

Maybe Wales just doesn&#039;t care what people say. But for most people starting a hyped Web site that is guaranteed to get massive eyeballs at its first public unveiling, offering something with more meat on the bones would&#039;ve been the way to go. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here and at TechCrunch Wales has made the case that he acknowledged Search Wikia would be bad at launch. However, his past grandiose statements about fixing search, coupled with his outsize Wikipedia reputation, guaranteed the response that the project is getting today. Unlike Wikipedia, this one&#8217;s not starting in the dark, and many people are going to go on first impressions exactly because of the hype and because of Wales&#8217; reputation. </p>
<p>Maybe Wales just doesn&#8217;t care what people say. But for most people starting a hyped Web site that is guaranteed to get massive eyeballs at its first public unveiling, offering something with more meat on the bones would&#8217;ve been the way to go.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Wikia really wants to make this a community-generated search engine than the demo attached will do just that - http://tinyurl.com/yvah8w

PredictAd Search Assist has a collaborative filtering feature that learns community search patterns. If you start typing in the demo attached you will start getting autocomplete results (with contextual advertisements) - these results will optimize based on the popularity of certain search terms/phrases.

If Jimmy Wales is reading - take a close look…PredictAd is FREE and its contextual advertising platform gives the publisher something that Adwords simply doesn’t! Moreover, it’s the first Ajax service offered on the web, and it’s a cool one at that…</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Wikia really wants to make this a community-generated search engine than the demo attached will do just that &#8211; <a href="http://tinyurl.com/yvah8w" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/yvah8w</a></p>
<p>PredictAd Search Assist has a collaborative filtering feature that learns community search patterns. If you start typing in the demo attached you will start getting autocomplete results (with contextual advertisements) &#8211; these results will optimize based on the popularity of certain search terms/phrases.</p>
<p>If Jimmy Wales is reading &#8211; take a close look…PredictAd is FREE and its contextual advertising platform gives the publisher something that Adwords simply doesn’t! Moreover, it’s the first Ajax service offered on the web, and it’s a cool one at that…</p>
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